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AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Jonathan Webb
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
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> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Nick Allen-2

Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/  & could you give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make it useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us are aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([hidden email])

On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, "Jonathan Webb" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
*
> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Josh Weiland
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Hi,

I am in a similar position (GIS professional, etc), though I started playing with HOT a few months ago, so have some lead time to get ready.

I agree that getting all the tutorials in an obvious place is needed, it took a long time to figure out what I needed to read.

But I found that more necessary for a particular project was to read all the emails that had bounced back and forth (though they may be less useful to those who are not as comfortable reading pages of English). If there were a way to mark the relevant emails and have a link to them in the instructions, I think that would be useful to someone like me.

Josh


On Wed, Apr 29, 2015, 8:45 AM Jonathan Webb <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
*
> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Filipe Santana Lopes
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Hey Jonathan,

Some more information you have on the wiki page of openstreetmap:

How to tag highways (roads, paths, etc):

How to tag buldings:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

Give only information in, of you are certain about.

When you are saving the information, tell what you have done, and what is still missing mapping in that field.

Best regards,
Filipe Santana Lopes


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2015-04-29 14:13 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen <[hidden email]>:

Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/  & could you give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make it useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us are aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([hidden email])

On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, "Jonathan Webb" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
*
> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Charlotte Wolter
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Jonathan,

        Emergency mapping is by its nature a bit chaotic. We are working
to clarify the issues you raised and many others.
        Please use the Tasking Master ( http://tasks.hotosm.org) to find
areas that need mapping.
        And don't worry if your work may not be dead accurate. Humanitarian
organizations assure us that the maps are valuable to them, and that's the
bottom line.

Best wishes,

Charlotte Wolter


At 05:40 AM 4/29/2015, you wrote:
 
 
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:
As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims.
I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it. I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then how many other (willing to learn) people have? As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?
Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ? In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are. Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb

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> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ
(I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one)
CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Brad Neuhauser
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Filipe, those are good general references. There are Nepal-specific tracing and tagging tips on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide, especially see the Common Features and Tagging sections.

Cheers, Brad

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Filipe Santana Lopes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hey Jonathan,

Some more information you have on the wiki page of openstreetmap:

How to tag highways (roads, paths, etc):

How to tag buldings:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

Give only information in, of you are certain about.

When you are saving the information, tell what you have done, and what is still missing mapping in that field.

Best regards,
Filipe Santana Lopes


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2015-04-29 14:13 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen <[hidden email]>:

Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/  & could you give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make it useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us are aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([hidden email])

On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, "Jonathan Webb" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
*
> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Sam-2
Hi,

Also a newbie but with many years experience in digital maps so trying to learn on the fly but agree with Jon on disparate nature of info and am happy to help with that. For now there is one thing I can't find and maybe someone can help me - some info on using plotlatch with the task manager, for example i can't figure out how to see if i'm still in my own tile except for a visual check which is hard on busy tiles. is there a way to check tile bounding box coordinates in the task manager??

many thanks!!

sam

On 29 April 2015 at 17:16, Brad Neuhauser <[hidden email]> wrote:
Filipe, those are good general references. There are Nepal-specific tracing and tagging tips on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide, especially see the Common Features and Tagging sections.

Cheers, Brad

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Filipe Santana Lopes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hey Jonathan,

Some more information you have on the wiki page of openstreetmap:

How to tag highways (roads, paths, etc):

How to tag buldings:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

Give only information in, of you are certain about.

When you are saving the information, tell what you have done, and what is still missing mapping in that field.

Best regards,
Filipe Santana Lopes


» Cell  <a href="tel:%2B351%20918426834" value="+351918426834" target="_blank">+351 918426834
» LinkedIn (pt.linkedin.com/pub/filipe-santana-lopes/11/627/283)
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» Member of International Association of Emergency Managers (www.iaem.com)


2015-04-29 14:13 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen <[hidden email]>:

Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/  & could you give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make it useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us are aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([hidden email])

On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, "Jonathan Webb" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
*
> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Nick Allen-2

Sam,

I don't know how current it is but there is a section here

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager

About potlatch and the tasking manager. If you feedback to me or the list about its usefulness I'll try to get it updated.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([hidden email])

On 29 Apr 2015 16:45, "Sam" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

Also a newbie but with many years experience in digital maps so trying to learn on the fly but agree with Jon on disparate nature of info and am happy to help with that. For now there is one thing I can't find and maybe someone can help me - some info on using plotlatch with the task manager, for example i can't figure out how to see if i'm still in my own tile except for a visual check which is hard on busy tiles. is there a way to check tile bounding box coordinates in the task manager??

many thanks!!

sam

On 29 April 2015 at 17:16, Brad Neuhauser <[hidden email]> wrote:
Filipe, those are good general references. There are Nepal-specific tracing and tagging tips on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide, especially see the Common Features and Tagging sections.

Cheers, Brad

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Filipe Santana Lopes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hey Jonathan,

Some more information you have on the wiki page of openstreetmap:

How to tag highways (roads, paths, etc):

How to tag buldings:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

Give only information in, of you are certain about.

When you are saving the information, tell what you have done, and what is still missing mapping in that field.

Best regards,
Filipe Santana Lopes


» Cell  <a href="tel:%2B351%20918426834" value="+351918426834" target="_blank">+351 918426834
» LinkedIn (pt.linkedin.com/pub/filipe-santana-lopes/11/627/283)
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2015-04-29 14:13 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen <[hidden email]>:

Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/  & could you give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make it useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us are aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([hidden email])

On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, "Jonathan Webb" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
*
> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Brad Neuhauser
I just found that too, but I don't see the "link to .osm file" it mentions. Is that from an older version of the Tasking Manager, or is it still available somehow?  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager#Adding_the_grid_square_to_Potlatch

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Nick Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sam,

I don't know how current it is but there is a section here

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager

About potlatch and the tasking manager. If you feedback to me or the list about its usefulness I'll try to get it updated.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([hidden email])

On 29 Apr 2015 16:45, "Sam" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

Also a newbie but with many years experience in digital maps so trying to learn on the fly but agree with Jon on disparate nature of info and am happy to help with that. For now there is one thing I can't find and maybe someone can help me - some info on using plotlatch with the task manager, for example i can't figure out how to see if i'm still in my own tile except for a visual check which is hard on busy tiles. is there a way to check tile bounding box coordinates in the task manager??

many thanks!!

sam

On 29 April 2015 at 17:16, Brad Neuhauser <[hidden email]> wrote:
Filipe, those are good general references. There are Nepal-specific tracing and tagging tips on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide, especially see the Common Features and Tagging sections.

Cheers, Brad

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Filipe Santana Lopes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hey Jonathan,

Some more information you have on the wiki page of openstreetmap:

How to tag highways (roads, paths, etc):

How to tag buldings:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

Give only information in, of you are certain about.

When you are saving the information, tell what you have done, and what is still missing mapping in that field.

Best regards,
Filipe Santana Lopes


» Cell  <a href="tel:%2B351%20918426834" value="+351918426834" target="_blank">+351 918426834
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2015-04-29 14:13 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen <[hidden email]>:

Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/  & could you give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make it useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us are aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

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On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, "Jonathan Webb" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
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> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Sam-2
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i switched to iD editor which shows the tile outlined so that's good for now. but will check your info and feedback once i'm done with this tile. thanks :)

On 29 April 2015 at 18:09, Nick Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sam,

I don't know how current it is but there is a section here

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager

About potlatch and the tasking manager. If you feedback to me or the list about its usefulness I'll try to get it updated.

Nick

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On 29 Apr 2015 16:45, "Sam" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

Also a newbie but with many years experience in digital maps so trying to learn on the fly but agree with Jon on disparate nature of info and am happy to help with that. For now there is one thing I can't find and maybe someone can help me - some info on using plotlatch with the task manager, for example i can't figure out how to see if i'm still in my own tile except for a visual check which is hard on busy tiles. is there a way to check tile bounding box coordinates in the task manager??

many thanks!!

sam

On 29 April 2015 at 17:16, Brad Neuhauser <[hidden email]> wrote:
Filipe, those are good general references. There are Nepal-specific tracing and tagging tips on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide, especially see the Common Features and Tagging sections.

Cheers, Brad

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Filipe Santana Lopes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hey Jonathan,

Some more information you have on the wiki page of openstreetmap:

How to tag highways (roads, paths, etc):

How to tag buldings:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

Give only information in, of you are certain about.

When you are saving the information, tell what you have done, and what is still missing mapping in that field.

Best regards,
Filipe Santana Lopes


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2015-04-29 14:13 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen <[hidden email]>:

Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/  & could you give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make it useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us are aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

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On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, "Jonathan Webb" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
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> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: potlatch2 & Tasking Manager Square

Sam-2
ah awesome i'll try that within the next hour and let you know!!

On 29 April 2015 at 18:42, Nick Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sam,

1. Tasking Manager - obtain your square,
2. Tasking Manager - select 'edit with JOSM' and under the words 'edit with josm' you will see a line of text 'Tip:Download the following gpx file .......'
3. click on download file & make a note where you put it.
4. Tasking Manager - using the dropdown list, change from JOSM to 'Potlatch 2' - this will open in a new tab,
5. Potlatch 2, select Background / Vector File - use the menu to load the gpx file you downloaded.
6. Make sure there is a tick in the 'show' column before you close the window down.
7. Potlatch should now display the boundary as a square - blue in my case. Potlatch will still download data outside the area, so be careful about watching for the boundary.

Any feedback on this process appreciated - if there are any experts on Potlatch who have better guidance, please supply it.

I'll add it to my ToDo list to get a section into LearnOSM & update the wiki, but I have got a lot of commitments over the next couple of weeks, so please have patience.

Good luck & thank you for persevering.  Life moves on so quickly it's sometimes difficult to keep the manual up to date.

Regards

Nick

On 29/04/15 17:17, Sam wrote:
i switched to iD editor which shows the tile outlined so that's good for now. but will check your info and feedback once i'm done with this tile. thanks :)

On 29 April 2015 at 18:09, Nick Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sam,

I don't know how current it is but there is a section here

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager

About potlatch and the tasking manager. If you feedback to me or the list about its usefulness I'll try to get it updated.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([hidden email])

On 29 Apr 2015 16:45, "Sam" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

Also a newbie but with many years experience in digital maps so trying to learn on the fly but agree with Jon on disparate nature of info and am happy to help with that. For now there is one thing I can't find and maybe someone can help me - some info on using plotlatch with the task manager, for example i can't figure out how to see if i'm still in my own tile except for a visual check which is hard on busy tiles. is there a way to check tile bounding box coordinates in the task manager??

many thanks!!

sam

On 29 April 2015 at 17:16, Brad Neuhauser <[hidden email]> wrote:
Filipe, those are good general references. There are Nepal-specific tracing and tagging tips on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide, especially see the Common Features and Tagging sections.

Cheers, Brad

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Filipe Santana Lopes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hey Jonathan,

Some more information you have on the wiki page of openstreetmap:

How to tag highways (roads, paths, etc):

How to tag buldings:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

Give only information in, of you are certain about.

When you are saving the information, tell what you have done, and what is still missing mapping in that field.

Best regards,
Filipe Santana Lopes


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2015-04-29 14:13 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen <[hidden email]>:

Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/  & could you give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make it useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us are aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

Nick

Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy

Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([hidden email])

On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, "Jonathan Webb" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
*
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> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: potlatch2 & Tasking Manager Square

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Works great! I'll update the Tasking Manager wiki page if you don't beat me to it. Thanks!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Nick Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sam,

1. Tasking Manager - obtain your square,
2. Tasking Manager - select 'edit with JOSM' and under the words 'edit with josm' you will see a line of text 'Tip:Download the following gpx file .......'
3. click on download file & make a note where you put it.
4. Tasking Manager - using the dropdown list, change from JOSM to 'Potlatch 2' - this will open in a new tab,
5. Potlatch 2, select Background / Vector File - use the menu to load the gpx file you downloaded.
6. Make sure there is a tick in the 'show' column before you close the window down.
7. Potlatch should now display the boundary as a square - blue in my case. Potlatch will still download data outside the area, so be careful about watching for the boundary.

Any feedback on this process appreciated - if there are any experts on Potlatch who have better guidance, please supply it.

I'll add it to my ToDo list to get a section into LearnOSM & update the wiki, but I have got a lot of commitments over the next couple of weeks, so please have patience.

Good luck & thank you for persevering.  Life moves on so quickly it's sometimes difficult to keep the manual up to date.

Regards

Nick

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Re: potlatch2 & Tasking Manager Square

Nick Allen-2
Brad,

Thanks for doing that - it looks great.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager#Adding_the_grid_square_to_Potlatch

Nick

On 29/04/15 17:52, Brad Neuhauser wrote:
Works great! I'll update the Tasking Manager wiki page if you don't beat me to it. Thanks!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Nick Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sam,

1. Tasking Manager - obtain your square,
2. Tasking Manager - select 'edit with JOSM' and under the words 'edit with josm' you will see a line of text 'Tip:Download the following gpx file .......'
3. click on download file & make a note where you put it.
4. Tasking Manager - using the dropdown list, change from JOSM to 'Potlatch 2' - this will open in a new tab,
5. Potlatch 2, select Background / Vector File - use the menu to load the gpx file you downloaded.
6. Make sure there is a tick in the 'show' column before you close the window down.
7. Potlatch should now display the boundary as a square - blue in my case. Potlatch will still download data outside the area, so be careful about watching for the boundary.

Any feedback on this process appreciated - if there are any experts on Potlatch who have better guidance, please supply it.

I'll add it to my ToDo list to get a section into LearnOSM & update the wiki, but I have got a lot of commitments over the next couple of weeks, so please have patience.

Good luck & thank you for persevering.  Life moves on so quickly it's sometimes difficult to keep the manual up to date.

Regards

Nick

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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Laura Camellini
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Sorry forma wrong forwarding, this proposal was for community consideration

Il 30/apr/2015 12:15, "Laura Camellini" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Hi all, sorry for not quoting, just telling you my proposal, i followed the events of these days with growing concerning and would like to help you in managing this situation with my few tech skills.
Moodle badge's system connected with course completion was built to be shareable, the only thing that nerds to be zone is to connect the badge of a BASIC mapping course with the tasking manager editing permissions.
Then alla the people that want to edit the tasking manager maps attributes need to have finished the cpurse with the basic notions to be able not to mess around with tiles.

Just my two cents, i really nave few time to work on it bit if you get the basic course done i'll enable course completion and badgrs on moodle and try to synch it with task manager permissione (only with the help of a dev) during my sleeptime :)

Best wishes,
LauraC

Il 29/apr/2015 14:45, "Jonathan Webb" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist & learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. 

I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do & how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn) people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence & be unmissable?

Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it.

Jonathan Webb
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> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO



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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Andrew Patterson
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Hi

As a novice on HOT I would support Severin's suggestion for an "Experienced Mapper" status for validation.  I have managed to complete about 36 Tasks to date, and have decided to concentrate on the Malawi flooding Tasks, although its High Priority status has been rather over taken by recent events.  However, despite running for over 2 months only about 30% have been completed.

Of my tasks completed three have been validated, with useful supportive comments back from the validators (both of whom feature largely in the ongoing correspondence - which rather says something about the numbers available for validation).  

I have had two other task areas validated - one of which must be been someone hitting the completed button by mistake since only a couple of buildings and tracks had been plotted - no comments in box.  The person who validated the second task for which my comment box indicated some work that still needed adding, added two buildings and then pressed the completed button but again left no comment.  This task was their first recorded.

I do believe that the validation process needs to provide feedback - not just on the technical quality - but also on things like the choice of highway status made etc. 


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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

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Thanks Nick,
Glad I pitched in - I nearly deleted my post as an outsider...

I have found and been pointed to (by you & others) a load of useful info - there is not necessarily a shortage of info, just that it's in disparate places & I think this is the key issue.  In constructing this reply, I have found much of what I need to know but each strand isn't quite complete in itself & you need to find enough strands.  Ideally all the info would be in one place, in a coherent house style but that probably isn't possible.  I could have a go at that but I'd need a bit more mapping experience under my belt first.

Re your link - on the whole it is very helpful. First off, I would prefer the font to be a tad larger as there is a lot of text & I'm pushing 50 (I saw another older respondent as well so I'm not alone) & my eyes aren't what they were.

What I haven't found is much about the value judgements in interpreting the imagery for disaster purposes. Less of an issue for those with formal GIS/remote sensing training probably.  I think I am quite good at interpreting aerial imagery, but my experience is English Landscape (character) and heritage. This is very helpful: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips

To me, it would seem important to know whether a track can take vehicles but I do not feel qualified to guess at this - some tips on interpreting rural tracks etc might be useful.  This could be a valuable use of a small amount of time for someone experienced in this, as it would enable newcomers like me to make a more useful contribution.

In general terms, it would be helpful to have a concise "Executive Summary" about the aims of HOT - in terms of map quality & accuracy (in metres) and
maybe some of the "woollier" aspects like whether it is OK to make an informed but subjective guess etc. 

I've just seen this
https://datameet.hackpad.com/Nepal-Earthquake-Mapping-YDjLauUK0Ek
which addresses a number of the issues I think, in that it is a user-friendly, concise guide to resources.  Good work by the authors!

It may be that there is just a lot to learn!  To some extent I thought "I can do GIS", I can do this, but in reality cartography is a discipline in its own right & it is somewhat presumptious to assume that a layman can do it just because they want to help (without any training):  It might be useful to make this point, in a friendly way to deter would-be mappers who come in & lock squares but don't achieve much.

Hope I haven't waffled on too much - I've been exploring whilst I write this and consequently my position has changed a bit.  But newcomers still face the task of finding the information strands.
Happy to help if I can
Regards
Jonathan


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Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

pierzen
this is a good descrption of crowmapping.

We have to move from unstructured info and gradually give more signification to it. exchanging as we do this week helps progress.

That's part of the motivation to participate to this humanitarian community and response.

cheers all.
 
Pierre


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Thanks Nick,
Glad I pitched in - I nearly deleted my post as an outsider...

I have found and been pointed to (by you & others) a load of useful info - there is not necessarily a shortage of info, just that it's in disparate places & I think this is the key issue.  In constructing this reply, I have found much of what I need to know but each strand isn't quite complete in itself & you need to find enough strands.  Ideally all the info would be in one place, in a coherent house style but that probably isn't possible.  I could have a go at that but I'd need a bit more mapping experience under my belt first.

Re your link - on the whole it is very helpful. First off, I would prefer the font to be a tad larger as there is a lot of text & I'm pushing 50 (I saw another older respondent as well so I'm not alone) & my eyes aren't what they were.

What I haven't found is much about the value judgements in interpreting the imagery for disaster purposes. Less of an issue for those with formal GIS/remote sensing training probably.  I think I am quite good at interpreting aerial imagery, but my experience is English Landscape (character) and heritage. This is very helpful: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips

To me, it would seem important to know whether a track can take vehicles but I do not feel qualified to guess at this - some tips on interpreting rural tracks etc might be useful.  This could be a valuable use of a small amount of time for someone experienced in this, as it would enable newcomers like me to make a more useful contribution.

In general terms, it would be helpful to have a concise "Executive Summary" about the aims of HOT - in terms of map quality & accuracy (in metres) and
maybe some of the "woollier" aspects like whether it is OK to make an informed but subjective guess etc. 

I've just seen this
https://datameet.hackpad.com/Nepal-Earthquake-Mapping-YDjLauUK0Ek
which addresses a number of the issues I think, in that it is a user-friendly, concise guide to resources.  Good work by the authors!

It may be that there is just a lot to learn!  To some extent I thought "I can do GIS", I can do this, but in reality cartography is a discipline in its own right & it is somewhat presumptious to assume that a layman can do it just because they want to help (without any training):  It might be useful to make this point, in a friendly way to deter would-be mappers who come in & lock squares but don't achieve much.

Hope I haven't waffled on too much - I've been exploring whilst I write this and consequently my position has changed a bit.  But newcomers still face the task of finding the information strands.
Happy to help if I can
Regards
Jonathan


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