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Adding lane tags to major roads

Martijn van Exel-3
Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add lane tags to major roads. 
This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
out body geom qt;

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Re: Adding lane tags to major roads

Andrew Harvey-3
Overall I think it's a great idea.

Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
eg. https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753 which
shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi folks.
> I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add lane tags to major roads.
> https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375
> This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
> I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
> Martijn
>
> PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:
>
> [timeout:190];
> area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
> out body geom qt;
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Re: Adding lane tags to major roads

Martijn van Exel-3
That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
Something like this...

[timeout:190];
area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
out body geom qt;

I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) first. 

I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ and even one admin_level=8 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help.

--
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On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Overall I think it's a great idea.

Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
eg. https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753 which
shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add lane tags to major roads.
https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375
This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
out body geom qt;
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Re: Adding lane tags to major roads

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On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel <[hidden email] wrote:
That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
Something like this...

[timeout:190];
area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
out body geom qt;

Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you able to?

I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) first.

I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ and even one admin_level=8 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help. 

There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, localities and LGA boundaries. 

--
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On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Overall I think it's a great idea.

Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
eg. https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753 which
shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add lane tags to major roads.
https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375
This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
out body geom qt;
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Re: Adding lane tags to major roads

Martijn van Exel-3
Andrew  H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself :) I will make the update when I find a moment.
Andrew H/D -- thanks for pointing me to the import plan.
--
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel <[hidden email] wrote:
That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
Something like this...

[timeout:190];
area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
out body geom qt;

Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you able to?

I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) first.

I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ and even one admin_level=8 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help. 

There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, localities and LGA boundaries. 

--
 Martijn van Exel

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Overall I think it's a great idea.

Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add lane tags to major roads.
This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
out body geom qt;
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Re: Adding lane tags to major roads

Andrew Harvey
I just checked again, it looks like you haven't corrected this yet, so a friendly reminder it would be nice to have this fixed.

I think it's also a good idea to include the NSW LPI Imagery as the default background layer for this task. I just filed https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572 in relation to this.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, at 4:53 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
Andrew  H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself :) I will make the update when I find a moment.
Andrew H/D -- thanks for pointing me to the import plan.
--
  Martijn van Exel



On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel <[hidden email] wrote:
That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
Something like this...

[timeout:190];
area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
out body geom qt;

Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you able to?

I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) first.

I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ and even one admin_level=8 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help. 

There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, localities and LGA boundaries. 

--
 Martijn van Exel

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Overall I think it's a great idea.

Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add lane tags to major roads.
This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
out body geom qt;
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Re: Adding lane tags to major roads

Martijn van Exel-3
Thanks. Because you cannot edit the Overpass query for an existing challenge, I created a new one that has the LPI imagery as default backdrop.
It has 9800+ tasks. 
I deleted the old one.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Martijn

On Dec 11, 2018, at 5:31 AM, Andrew Harvey <[hidden email]> wrote:

I just checked again, it looks like you haven't corrected this yet, so a friendly reminder it would be nice to have this fixed.

I think it's also a good idea to include the NSW LPI Imagery as the default background layer for this task. I just filed https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572 in relation to this.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, at 4:53 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
Andrew  H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself :) I will make the update when I find a moment.
Andrew H/D -- thanks for pointing me to the import plan. 
--
  Martijn van Exel



On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel <[hidden email] wrote:
That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
Something like this...

[timeout:190];
area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
out body geom qt;

Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you able to?

I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) first.

I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ and even one admin_level=8 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help. 

There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, localities and LGA boundaries. 

-- 
 Martijn van Exel

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Overall I think it's a great idea.

Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add lane tags to major roads.
This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
out body geom qt;
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Re: Adding lane tags to major roads

Joel H.-2

Hey I'm not familiar with MapRoulette.

Where can I view the source code? I (or maybe you could) would like to perhaps make one for QLD.

If you are interested, I would choose Bing by default, but really none are perfect.

On 12/12/18 3:54 am, Martijn van Exel wrote:
Thanks. Because you cannot edit the Overpass query for an existing challenge, I created a new one that has the LPI imagery as default backdrop.
It has 9800+ tasks. 
I deleted the old one.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Martijn

On Dec 11, 2018, at 5:31 AM, Andrew Harvey <[hidden email]> wrote:

I just checked again, it looks like you haven't corrected this yet, so a friendly reminder it would be nice to have this fixed.

I think it's also a good idea to include the NSW LPI Imagery as the default background layer for this task. I just filed https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572 in relation to this.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, at 4:53 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
Andrew  H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself :) I will make the update when I find a moment.
Andrew H/D -- thanks for pointing me to the import plan. 
--
  Martijn van Exel



On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel <[hidden email] wrote:
That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
Something like this...

[timeout:190];
area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
out body geom qt;

Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you able to?

I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) first.

I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ and even one admin_level=8 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help. 

There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, localities and LGA boundaries. 

-- 
 Martijn van Exel

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Overall I think it's a great idea.

Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add lane tags to major roads.
This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
out body geom qt;
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Re: Adding lane tags to major roads

Martijn van Exel-3
Hi,

The source is on Github (search for mapoulette3 for the frontend / react code and maproulette2 for the backend / scala codebase) but you don't need to dig into that to simply create a challenge. You can log onto MapRoulette using your OSM account, and create a challenge using an Overpass query. I wrote a diary on how to do this a little while ago, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/46863

If you don't know any Overpass, I'm more than happy to set a Challenge of your preference up for you, or show you how to do it.

I did in fact set up an 'add lanes' challenge for Queensland a little while ago, which you can find here: https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3376

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On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, at 04:20, Joel H. wrote:

Hey I'm not familiar with MapRoulette.

Where can I view the source code? I (or maybe you could) would like to perhaps make one for QLD.

If you are interested, I would choose Bing by default, but really none are perfect.

On 12/12/18 3:54 am, Martijn van Exel wrote:
Thanks. Because you cannot edit the Overpass query for an existing challenge, I created a new one that has the LPI imagery as default backdrop.
It has 9800+ tasks. 
I deleted the old one.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Martijn

On Dec 11, 2018, at 5:31 AM, Andrew Harvey <[hidden email]> wrote:

I just checked again, it looks like you haven't corrected this yet, so a friendly reminder it would be nice to have this fixed.

I think it's also a good idea to include the NSW LPI Imagery as the default background layer for this task. I just filed https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572 in relation to this.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, at 4:53 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
Andrew  H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself :) I will make the update when I find a moment.
Andrew H/D -- thanks for pointing me to the import plan. 
--
  Martijn van Exel



On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel <[hidden email] wrote:
That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
Something like this...

[timeout:190];
area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
out body geom qt;

Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you able to?

I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) first.

I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ and even one admin_level=8 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help. 

There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, localities and LGA boundaries. 

-- 
 Martijn van Exel

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Overall I think it's a great idea.

Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add lane tags to major roads.
This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
out body geom qt;
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