Hi list! I'm doing a lot coastline fixings all over the world. Normally
only with few pain. But since a few weeks the user Aki_Suokas is doing very bad coastline edits in the area of Sweden. I've written him several time via changeset discussion but no reaction. At least he has stopped in an other area where I was warning him with notifying OSM foundation. Now he was editing again without any benefit but doing a lot mistakes. It seems that he is not willing to learn and just do some useless things. And since he is using the (bad) ID editor it is also nearly impossible to revert the changesets which created the mess. As of today you can see the errors here: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=coastline&lon=20.93588&lat=59.91265&zoom=13&overlays=coastline,coastline_error_lines,line_not_a_ring,line_overlap,line_invalid,line_direction,questionable,coastline_error_points,unconnected,intersections,not_a_ring,double_node,tagged_node As my own coastline checker is doing global checks without creating a map it is hard for me to distinguish the errors in Sweden with other errors worldwide. As of this I will stop fixing coastline errors now for a while until this special situation is fixed. I'm asking for help here how to handle the situation. Maybe the notification of OSM foundation is ok, maybe not... Andre _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk |
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can you point us to some of the changesets where you left comments? Jochen On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 10:54:53AM +0100, Andre Hinrichs via talk wrote: > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 10:54:53 +0100 > From: Andre Hinrichs via talk <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [OSM-talk] Bad coastline edits in Sweden > > Hi list! I'm doing a lot coastline fixings all over the world. Normally > only with few pain. But since a few weeks the user Aki_Suokas is doing > very bad coastline edits in the area of Sweden. I've written him several > time via changeset discussion but no reaction. At least he has stopped > in an other area where I was warning him with notifying OSM foundation. > Now he was editing again without any benefit but doing a lot mistakes. > It seems that he is not willing to learn and just do some useless > things. And since he is using the (bad) ID editor it is also nearly > impossible to revert the changesets which created the mess. As of today > you can see the errors here: > http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=coastline&lon=20.93588&lat=59.91265&zoom=13&overlays=coastline,coastline_error_lines,line_not_a_ring,line_overlap,line_invalid,line_direction,questionable,coastline_error_points,unconnected,intersections,not_a_ring,double_node,tagged_node > As my own coastline checker is doing global checks without creating a > map it is hard for me to distinguish the errors in Sweden with other > errors worldwide. As of this I will stop fixing coastline errors now for > a while until this special situation is fixed. I'm asking for help here > how to handle the situation. Maybe the notification of OSM foundation is > ok, maybe not... Andre > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jochen Topf [hidden email] https://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-351-31778688 _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk |
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Difficult to find, but here are the changesets where i left comments: 93965382 94097597 94134166 And the links to them: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/93965382 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/94097597 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/94134166 Andre On 21.11.20 11:16, Jochen Topf wrote: > Hi! > > can you point us to some of the changesets where you left comments? > > Jochen > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 10:54:53AM +0100, Andre Hinrichs via talk wrote: >> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 10:54:53 +0100 >> From: Andre Hinrichs via talk <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [OSM-talk] Bad coastline edits in Sweden >> >> Hi list! I'm doing a lot coastline fixings all over the world. Normally >> only with few pain. But since a few weeks the user Aki_Suokas is doing >> very bad coastline edits in the area of Sweden. I've written him several >> time via changeset discussion but no reaction. At least he has stopped >> in an other area where I was warning him with notifying OSM foundation. >> Now he was editing again without any benefit but doing a lot mistakes. >> It seems that he is not willing to learn and just do some useless >> things. And since he is using the (bad) ID editor it is also nearly >> impossible to revert the changesets which created the mess. As of today >> you can see the errors here: >> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=coastline&lon=20.93588&lat=59.91265&zoom=13&overlays=coastline,coastline_error_lines,line_not_a_ring,line_overlap,line_invalid,line_direction,questionable,coastline_error_points,unconnected,intersections,not_a_ring,double_node,tagged_node >> As my own coastline checker is doing global checks without creating a >> map it is hard for me to distinguish the errors in Sweden with other >> errors worldwide. As of this I will stop fixing coastline errors now for >> a while until this special situation is fixed. I'm asking for help here >> how to handle the situation. Maybe the notification of OSM foundation is >> ok, maybe not... Andre >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk |
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Hi Andre,
Am 21/11/2020 um 10.54 schrieb Andre Hinrichs via talk: > Hi list! I'm doing a lot coastline fixings all over the world. Normally > only with few pain. But since a few weeks the user Aki_Suokas is doing > very bad coastline edits in the area of Sweden. I've written him several > time via changeset discussion but no reaction. Not reacting on changeset comments (or not following the advice given in the comments) but continuing to edit, is a usual reason for 0-hour block by Data Working Group. Please email [hidden email] and explain the issue with links to changesets/objects. Best regards Michael _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk |
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sent from a phone > On 21. Nov 2020, at 10:59, Andre Hinrichs via talk <[hidden email]> wrote: > > And since he is using the (bad) ID editor it is also nearly > impossible to revert the changesets which created the mess. ask him to stop using the bad iD editor and point him to the good iD editor ;-) Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk |
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Nov 21, 2020, 10:54 by [hidden email]:
You can use also other editors like JOSM to revert (with reverted plugin). And if edits are actually not including anything useful reverts should be easy (revert latest edit, later latest not reverted one and so on). Edits made with iD are not revert-proof. (node, I made 0 attempt to investigate this specific case and have not checked whatever full revert of everything is optimal)
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Nov 21, 2020, 11:42 by [hidden email]:
Note that you made comment "And WHY did you delete the island relation for Idö?" in changeset that made no edits (especially deletions) to any relations.
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On 21/11/2020 10:42, Andre Hinrichs via
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Hi! Difficult to find, but here are the changesets where i left comments: 93965382 94097597 94134166 And the links to them: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/93965382 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/94097597 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/94134166 Andre
Hello, A couple of points immediately spring to mind. Apologies to
anyone on this list who's seen me make these sort of points
before, but sometimes I think it bears repeating. I'll use your
messages here as an example but to be honest what I'm about to say
applies to lots of inter-mapper communication within OSM. One is that you've left changeset comments in English, and here
this editor is editing in Finland with a "fi" locale, as you can
see at the changeset:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/94134166 . The Åland
Islands (where this is) are actually Swedish speaking I believe,
but the mapper has edited in other places in Finland too, Not
everyone in Finland understands English - my impression (from when
I used to work there) was that many do, but plenty don't, and it
often depends on the job that someone does or how old they are
whether they are likely to or not. Another is that your three messages are fairly abrupt and by the second and third have got capitalised words in them. Finnish as a language never uses 3 words where 1 will do, so this contributor will be used to terse communication, but you still need to communicate effectively. Taking https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/93965382 as an example, you've said that there is a problem with coastlines (but not said exactly which OSM feature they edited it was), told them not to edit coastlines again but then asked them to fix the problem. At the very least the advice is self-contradictory. The other two, https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/94097597
and https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/94134166 , are
probably best described as "shouting at someone in a foreign
language"**, and are unlikely to have the desired effect. Also,
well-meaning changes aren't "vandalism" - they may cause
significant problems that need fixing, but they're not vandalism. What I'd suggest instead is:
Best Regards, Andy
* actually (having just tested it) translate.google.com does a
surprising good job of detecting cases in English and choosing the
correct word ending, which is how those are expressed in Finnish ** yes - I know - I'm English, and it is something that we are
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