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John Chambers
I am not a complete newbie, but I am when it comes to bot edits.  A bot has come when I wasn't looking in the guise of TIGER name expansion, and added southwest to the names of all the streets in my subdivision.  That is in no way part of the name.  It is a deprecated postal designation for the local post office.  The post office doesn't even need the ordinal directions since they use zip codes anyway.  That same bot edit has apparently changed the name of 10,000 streets in Georgia, USA.  Do I have to manually revert the ones I am familiar with?  Is there any way to prevent bot edits on features that have been manually edited?

Thanks,
Upstream

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Re: Bot edit

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John Chambers wrote:

> I am not a complete newbie, but I am when it comes to bot edits.  A
> bot has come when I wasn't looking in the guise of TIGER name
> expansion, and added southwest to the names of all the streets in my
> subdivision.  That is in no way part of the name.  It is a deprecated
> postal designation for the local post office.  The post office doesn't
> even need the ordinal directions since they use zip codes anyway.  
> That same bot edit has apparently changed the name of 10,000 streets
> in Georgia, USA.  Do I have to manually revert the ones I am familiar
> with?  Is there any way to prevent bot edits on features that have
> been manually edited?

I'd message the bot account saying that there's been a mistake,
explaining what's happened and that in this case the "SW" in the name
wasn't actually part of the name (if the bot's OSM user page says to
message another user, then message them instead).

The person running the bot should be able to revert the erronous changes
and reconfigure their future changes to not make changes that they
shouldn't be making.

It might be worth either or both of you mentioning it on the talk-us
mailing list, or another US-specific channel, as I suspect there's far
more expertise there than here about "what works and what doesn't" about
Tiger name expansions there than here.

Cheers,

Andy


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Re: Bot edit

Serge Wroclawski-2
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What is the name of the way/changeset?

- Serge

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM, John Chambers <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I am not a complete newbie, but I am when it comes to bot edits.  A bot has
> come when I wasn't looking in the guise of TIGER name expansion, and added
> southwest to the names of all the streets in my subdivision.  That is in no
> way part of the name.  It is a deprecated postal designation for the local
> post office.  The post office doesn't even need the ordinal directions since
> they use zip codes anyway.  That same bot edit has apparently changed the
> name of 10,000 streets in Georgia, USA.  Do I have to manually revert the
> ones I am familiar with?  Is there any way to prevent bot edits on features
> that have been manually edited?
>
> Thanks,
> Upstream
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Serge Wroclawski-2
I just saw the message that this was for bot-mode.

This is the bot that I ran last year.

bot-mode only expanded directions when the direction was what was
indicated by TIGER. The bot isn't responsible for bad TIGER data.

- Serge

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John Chambers
You are right, it was bad TIGER data, but do we have to expand it? it isn't noticable when it is just sw, but when it is Southwest,  and it is on ever street in the area, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

So, back to my original question, Do I have to manually revert the ones I am familiar with?

And, let me add another question.  When I edit areas I am familiar with, should I delete all the TIGER tags, so they don't get picked up in future bot edits?

Thanks,
Upstream


On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Serge Wroclawski <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just saw the message that this was for bot-mode.

This is the bot that I ran last year.

bot-mode only expanded directions when the direction was what was
indicated by TIGER. The bot isn't responsible for bad TIGER data.

- Serge

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Re: Bot edit

John Chambers
Actually it probably wasn't bad TIGER data, but a bug in the original TIGER import, that created the name tag from

tiger:name_base + tiger:name_type + tiger:name_direction_suffix

when it shouldn't have used the name_direction_suffix at all.


On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 4:51 PM, John Chambers <[hidden email]> wrote:
You are right, it was bad TIGER data, but do we have to expand it? it isn't noticable when it is just sw, but when it is Southwest,  and it is on ever street in the area, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

So, back to my original question, Do I have to manually revert the ones I am familiar with?

And, let me add another question.  When I edit areas I am familiar with, should I delete all the TIGER tags, so they don't get picked up in future bot edits?

Thanks,
Upstream


On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Serge Wroclawski <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just saw the message that this was for bot-mode.

This is the bot that I ran last year.

bot-mode only expanded directions when the direction was what was
indicated by TIGER. The bot isn't responsible for bad TIGER data.

- Serge

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Re: Bot edit

Serge Wroclawski-2
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On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 4:51 PM, John Chambers <[hidden email]> wrote:
> You are right, it was bad TIGER data, but do we have to expand it?

The bot doesn't know what is good vs bad street name data.

> it isn't
> noticable when it is just sw, but when it is Southwest,  and it is on ever
> street in the area, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

So fix it.

> So, back to my original question, Do I have to manually revert the ones I am
> familiar with?

Revert? No. Fix them. Don't re-contract the street names.

> And, let me add another question.  When I edit areas I am familiar with,
> should I delete all the TIGER tags, so they don't get picked up in future
> bot edits?

No. Don't delete TIGER tags. If there has been a user who had edited
the name, the bot wouldn't have expanded it.

bot-mode ran only after months of consultation and testing. One  or
two errors out of over a million ways is a tiny error.

- Serge

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Re: Bot edit

John Chambers
I don't think it is only one or two errors.  In my area, it looks like probably 3 out of 5 ways are affected.  Can  you query the data and tell me how many?  If it is only one or two hundred, give me the list and I'll fix them.



On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Serge Wroclawski <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 4:51 PM, John Chambers <[hidden email]> wrote:
> You are right, it was bad TIGER data, but do we have to expand it?

The bot doesn't know what is good vs bad street name data.

> it isn't
> noticable when it is just sw, but when it is Southwest,  and it is on ever
> street in the area, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

So fix it.

> So, back to my original question, Do I have to manually revert the ones I am
> familiar with?

Revert? No. Fix them. Don't re-contract the street names.

> And, let me add another question.  When I edit areas I am familiar with,
> should I delete all the TIGER tags, so they don't get picked up in future
> bot edits?

No. Don't delete TIGER tags. If there has been a user who had edited
the name, the bot wouldn't have expanded it.

bot-mode ran only after months of consultation and testing. One  or
two errors out of over a million ways is a tiny error.

- Serge

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Re: Bot edit

Serge Wroclawski-2
John,

If you find a mistake on the map, no matter if it was made by a human
or a bot- just fix it.

- Serge

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Re: Bot edit

Richard Weait
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On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:54 PM, John Chambers <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't think it is only one or two errors.  In my area, it looks like
> probably 3 out of 5 ways are affected.  Can  you query the data and tell me
> how many?  If it is only one or two hundred, give me the list and I'll fix
> them.

Hi John,

I'm sorry that the bot-mode edits lead to unexpected results in your
area.  The correct / prompt repair of this is outside the scope of the
newbie list for a large scape repair.  As a local matter for newbies,
absolutely _do_ feel empowered to repair them.  You don't need
permission to fix something that is wrong.

Thank you also for bringing this issue to our attention.  Would you
like to continue the discussion on talk-us@, yourself, or should
somebody else carry on with it for you?

Best regards and happy mapping,

Richard

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Re: Bot edit

Stewart C. Russell
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On 14-04-27 05:40 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
>
> The bot doesn't know what is good vs bad street name data.

If the data were bad in parts, maybe it would have been better not to
import it? The TIGER data set is not that great; whenever I'm in the US
and I see OSM roads that are all like “wat?”, I can be confident that
the TIGER's been on the prowl.

 Stewart



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