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Re: Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

Carlos Dávila-2
El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
> Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017
>
> - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages
> - Improve comments
>
Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I could
somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could advance
faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the display project?

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Re: Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

Alexandre Folle de Menezes
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Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.

For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

    Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages
- Improve comments

Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the display project?


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Re: Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

Carlos Dávila-2
In what way do you think it is more efficient? I thought you could be
talking about roads including more than one prefix1 in their name, eg.
"Avenida de la Calle Mayor", but I tested that name and I can't see any
difference in search behavior on MapSource. By the way, I found that
when road name includes two words listed in prefix1 you can still search
by the original full name:
Road name: Avenida de la Calle Mayor
prefix1:es = "Alameda", "Avenida", "Calle", "Callecita", "Paseo" (or
"Alameda", "Calle", "Avenida", "Callecita", "Paseo")
You can search both Avenida de la Calle Mayor and Calle Mayor
Perhaps that can give a clue to include original name in all cases

El 14/06/17 a las 15:11, Alexandre Folle de Menezes escribió:

>
> Hola Carlos,
>
> I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I
> believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes
> first.
>
> For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):
>
> -# portugese
> -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
> -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
> +# portuguese
> +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
> +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
> Saludos,
>
>     Alexandre
>
> Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
>> El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
>>> Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017
>>>
>>> - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries
>>> and languages
>>> - Improve comments
>>>
>> Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
>> I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I
>> could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could
>> advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the
>> display project?

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Re: Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

AlaskaDave
Is anyone interested in adding a section for Thailand?I don't know how to add them to the configuration file <g>.

There are only a few prefixes in use in Thailand, the most common by far is "thanon" (ถนน = road), and a few names begin with "soi" (ซอย = lane). Most often you find the word "soi" at the end of a street name, for example, Thanon Mahidol Soi 5 (Mahidol Road Lane 5).

Having just those two prefixes in play would help a lot.

Cheers,

Dave

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Carlos Dávila <[hidden email]> wrote:
In what way do you think it is more efficient? I thought you could be talking about roads including more than one prefix1 in their name, eg. "Avenida de la Calle Mayor", but I tested that name and I can't see any difference in search behavior on MapSource. By the way, I found that when road name includes two words listed in prefix1 you can still search by the original full name:
Road name: Avenida de la Calle Mayor
prefix1:es = "Alameda", "Avenida", "Calle", "Callecita", "Paseo" (or "Alameda", "Calle", "Avenida", "Callecita", "Paseo")
You can search both Avenida de la Calle Mayor and Calle Mayor
Perhaps that can give a clue to include original name in all cases

El 14/06/17 a las 15:11, Alexandre Folle de Menezes escribió:


Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.

For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

    Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages
- Improve comments

Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the display project?

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Re: Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

Gerd Petermann
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Hi,
I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter. That is also mentioned in the comments.
Ciao Gerd

---- Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb ----

Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.

For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

    Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages
- Improve comments

Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the display project?


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Re: Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

Alexandre Folle de Menezes
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Sorry, I was not very clear.  What I meant was that mkgmap will run
quicker if the most common prefixes are placed first.  But I did not
check the code, maybe Gerd can confirm/deny my supposition.

Saludos,

     Alexandre

Em 14/06/2017 12:06, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

> In what way do you think it is more efficient? I thought you could be
> talking about roads including more than one prefix1 in their name, eg.
> "Avenida de la Calle Mayor", but I tested that name and I can't see
> any difference in search behavior on MapSource. By the way, I found
> that when road name includes two words listed in prefix1 you can still
> search by the original full name:
> Road name: Avenida de la Calle Mayor
> prefix1:es = "Alameda", "Avenida", "Calle", "Callecita", "Paseo" (or
> "Alameda", "Calle", "Avenida", "Callecita", "Paseo")
> You can search both Avenida de la Calle Mayor and Calle Mayor
> Perhaps that can give a clue to include original name in all cases
>
> El 14/06/17 a las 15:11, Alexandre Folle de Menezes escribió:
>>
>> Hola Carlos,
>>
>> I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I
>> believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common
>> prefixes first.
>>
>> For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):
>>
>> -# portugese
>> -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
>> -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
>> +# portuguese
>> +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
>> +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
>> Saludos,
>>
>>     Alexandre
>>
>> Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
>>> El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
>>>> Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017
>>>>
>>>> - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more
>>>> countries and languages
>>>> - Improve comments
>>>>
>>> Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
>>> I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I
>>> could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I
>>> could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in
>>> the display project?
>
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Re: Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

Alexandre Folle de Menezes
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Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title corrected ("Portuguese") and "Beco" added.

Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the convention is.

Best regards,

    Alexandre

Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
Hi,
I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter. That is also mentioned in the comments.
Ciao Gerd

---- Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb ----

Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.

For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

    Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages
- Improve comments

Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the display project?


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Alexandre Loss
Hi Carlos,

In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br), we started using this new feature with the following configuration:
# portuguese
prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco", "Praça", "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "

Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion to other prefixes.
With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the size of our index file (whole Brazil).

Regards,

Loss

2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes <[hidden email]>:

Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title corrected ("Portuguese") and "Beco" added.

Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the convention is.

Best regards,

    Alexandre

Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
Hi,
I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter. That is also mentioned in the comments.
Ciao Gerd

---- Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb ----

Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.

For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

    Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages
- Improve comments

Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the display project?


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Re: Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

Carlos Dávila-2
Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and Portuguese) I
also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'", "el ", "la " in
Brazil and/or Portugal

El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:

> Hi Carlos,
>
> In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br
> <http://tracksource.org.br>), we started using this new feature with
> the following configuration:
> # portuguese
> prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco", "Praça",
> "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
> prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "
>
> Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion to
> other prefixes.
> With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the size of
> our index file (whole Brazil).
>
> Regards,
>
> Loss
>
> 2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>     Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title
>     corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.
>
>     Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
>     (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
>     they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the
>     convention is.
>
>     Best regards,
>
>         Alexandre
>
>     Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
>>     Hi,
>>     I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter.
>>     That is also mentioned in the comments.
>>     Ciao Gerd
>>
>>     ---- Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb ----
>>
>>     Hola Carlos,
>>
>>     I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I
>>     believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common
>>     prefixes first.
>>
>>     For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):
>>
>>     -# portugese
>>     -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
>>     -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
>>     +# portuguese
>>     +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
>>     +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
>>     Saludos,
>>
>>         Alexandre
>>
>>     Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
>>>     El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
>>>>     Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017
>>>>
>>>>     - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more
>>>>     countries and languages
>>>>     - Improve comments
>>>>
>>>     Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
>>>     I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if
>>>     I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map
>>>     I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it
>>>     in the display project?
>

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Alexandre Loss
Hi Carlos,
These are most common prefixes for Spanish language.
[],
Loss

2017-06-14 15:14 GMT-03:00 Carlos Dávila <[hidden email]>:
Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and Portuguese) I also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'", "el ", "la " in Brazil and/or Portugal

El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:
Hi Carlos,

In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br <http://tracksource.org.br>), we started using this new feature with the following configuration:
# portuguese
prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco", "Praça", "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "

Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion to other prefixes.
With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the size of our index file (whole Brazil).

Regards,

Loss

2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:

    Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title
    corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.

    Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
    (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
    they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the
    convention is.

    Best regards,

        Alexandre

    Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
    Hi,
    I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter.
    That is also mentioned in the comments.
    Ciao Gerd

    ---- Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb ----

    Hola Carlos,

    I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I
    believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common
    prefixes first.

    For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

    -# portugese
    -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
    -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
    +# portuguese
    +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
    +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
    Saludos,

        Alexandre

    Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
    El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
    Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

    - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more
    countries and languages
    - Improve comments

    Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
    I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if
    I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map
    I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it
    in the display project?


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Carlos Dávila-2
Yes, I know. I just wanted to mention there are a few occurrences of
them in Portuguese. I don't think including them will cause too much
processing time penalty.

El 14/06/17 a las 20:17, Alexandre Loss escribió:

> Hi Carlos,
> These are most common prefixes for Spanish language.
> [],
> Loss
>
> 2017-06-14 15:14 GMT-03:00 Carlos Dávila <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>     Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and
>     Portuguese) I also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'",
>     "el ", "la " in Brazil and/or Portugal
>
>     El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:
>
>         Hi Carlos,
>
>         In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br
>         <http://tracksource.org.br> <http://tracksource.org.br>), we
>         started using this new feature with the following configuration:
>         # portuguese
>         prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco",
>         "Praça", "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
>         prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "
>
>         Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion
>         to other prefixes.
>         With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the
>         size of our index file (whole Brazil).
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Loss
>
>         2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes
>         <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>         <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>>:
>
>             Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the
>         title
>             corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.
>
>             Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
>             (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
>             they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure
>         what the
>             convention is.
>
>             Best regards,
>
>                 Alexandre
>
>             Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
>
>                 Hi,
>                 I think with the current code the order really doesn't
>             matter.
>                 That is also mentioned in the comments.
>                 Ciao Gerd
>
>                 ---- Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb ----
>
>                 Hola Carlos,
>
>                 I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic
>             order.  I
>                 believe it would be way more efficient to put the most
>             common
>                 prefixes first.
>
>                 For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a
>             previous message):
>
>                 -# portugese
>                 -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
>                 -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
>                 +# portuguese
>                 +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda",
>             "Beco"
>                 +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
>                 Saludos,
>
>                     Alexandre
>
>                 Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
>
>                     El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
>
>                         Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on
>                     Mon, 12 Jun 2017
>
>                         - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida
>                     which adds more
>                         countries and languages
>                         - Improve comments
>
>                     Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
>                     I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig
>                 file. I think if
>                     I could somehow get a file with the list of road
>                 names in a map
>                     I could advance faster in this task. Is there any
>                 tool to get it
>                     in the display project?
>
>
>

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Alexandre Loss
I agree!

2017-06-14 15:58 GMT-03:00 Carlos Dávila <[hidden email]>:
Yes, I know. I just wanted to mention there are a few occurrences of them in Portuguese. I don't think including them will cause too much processing time penalty.

El 14/06/17 a las 20:17, Alexandre Loss escribió:
Hi Carlos,
These are most common prefixes for Spanish language.
[],
Loss

2017-06-14 15:14 GMT-03:00 Carlos Dávila <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:

    Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and
    Portuguese) I also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'",
    "el ", "la " in Brazil and/or Portugal

    El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:

        Hi Carlos,

        In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br
        <http://tracksource.org.br> <http://tracksource.org.br>), we
        started using this new feature with the following configuration:
        # portuguese
        prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco",
        "Praça", "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
        prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "

        Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion
        to other prefixes.
        With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the
        size of our index file (whole Brazil).

        Regards,

        Loss

        2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes
        <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
        <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>>:


            Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the
        title
            corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.

            Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
            (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
            they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure
        what the
            convention is.

            Best regards,

                Alexandre

            Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:

                Hi,
                I think with the current code the order really doesn't
            matter.
                That is also mentioned in the comments.
                Ciao Gerd

                ---- Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb ----

                Hola Carlos,

                I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic
            order.  I
                believe it would be way more efficient to put the most
            common
                prefixes first.

                For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a
            previous message):

                -# portugese
                -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
                -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
                +# portuguese
                +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda",
            "Beco"
                +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
                Saludos,

                    Alexandre

                Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

                    El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:

                        Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on
                    Mon, 12 Jun 2017

                        - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida
                    which adds more
                        countries and languages
                        - Improve comments

                    Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
                    I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig
                file. I think if
                    I could somehow get a file with the list of road
                names in a map
                    I could advance faster in this task. Is there any
                tool to get it
                    in the display project?




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Alexandre Folle de Menezes
In reply to this post by Alexandre Loss
Yes, " d' " is valid Portuguese.  But all others are Spanish, and I
believe they should not be ommited in portuguese maps because they will
not be assumed by the users.


Em 14/06/2017 15:14, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

> Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and Portuguese) I
> also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'", "el ", "la " in
> Brazil and/or Portugal
>
> El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br
>> <http://tracksource.org.br>), we started using this new feature with
>> the following configuration:
>> # portuguese
>> prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco",
>> "Praça", "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
>> prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "
>>
>> Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion to
>> other prefixes.
>> With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the size of
>> our index file (whole Brazil).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Loss
>>
>> 2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes
>> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>>
>>     Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title
>>     corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.
>>
>>     Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
>>     (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
>>     they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the
>>     convention is.
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>
>>         Alexandre
>>
>>     Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
>>>     Hi,
>>>     I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter.
>>>     That is also mentioned in the comments.
>>>     Ciao Gerd
>>>
>>>     ---- Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb ----
>>>
>>>     Hola Carlos,
>>>
>>>     I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I
>>>     believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common
>>>     prefixes first.
>>>
>>>     For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous
>>> message):
>>>
>>>     -# portugese
>>>     -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
>>>     -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
>>>     +# portuguese
>>>     +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
>>>     +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
>>>     Saludos,
>>>
>>>         Alexandre
>>>
>>>     Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
>>>>     El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
>>>>>     Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017
>>>>>
>>>>>     - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more
>>>>>     countries and languages
>>>>>     - Improve comments
>>>>>
>>>>     Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
>>>>     I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if
>>>>     I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map
>>>>     I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it
>>>>     in the display project?
>>
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Wesley Martins
Hi all,

In addition to all the previously mentioned prefixes for Brazil, there are some more we can add that are very common in Brasília/DF: "Conjunto", "Setor", "Chácara" and "Quadra".
The prefixes "Ladeira", "Trevo" and "Viaduto" can be added too.

Wesley

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Alexandre Folle de Menezes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yes, " d' " is valid Portuguese.  But all others are Spanish, and I believe they should not be ommited in portuguese maps because they will not be assumed by the users.


Em 14/06/2017 15:14, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and Portuguese) I also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'", "el ", "la " in Brazil and/or Portugal

El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:
Hi Carlos,

In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br <http://tracksource.org.br>), we started using this new feature with the following configuration:
# portuguese
prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco", "Praça", "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "

Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion to other prefixes.
With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the size of our index file (whole Brazil).

Regards,

Loss

2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:

    Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title
    corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.


    Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
    (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
    they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the
    convention is.

    Best regards,

        Alexandre

    Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
    Hi,
    I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter.
    That is also mentioned in the comments.
    Ciao Gerd

    ---- Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb ----

    Hola Carlos,

    I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I
    believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common
    prefixes first.

    For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

    -# portugese
    -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
    -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
    +# portuguese
    +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
    +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
    Saludos,

        Alexandre

    Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
    El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
    Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

    - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more
    countries and languages
    - Improve comments

    Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
    I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if
    I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map
    I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it
    in the display project?


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Ticker Berkin
Hi all

For United Kingdom I suggest:

suffix:en = " Avenue", " Close", " Court", " Crescent", " Drive",
  " Gate", " Grove", " Lane", " Mews", " Parade", " Place", " Road",
  " Square", " Street", " Terrace", " View", " Way"

Having:

prefix1:en = "North ", "East ", "South ", "West "

is not a good idea here for two reasons:
1/ It is very rare for there to be a "way" where an initial compass
point is not a significant part of its name.
2/ "ways" like "North Street", "West Way", "East View", "South Parade"
etc are very common.

Generally, the suffix should be removed first and, if removing the
prefix gives an empty result, the prefix should be restored.

Ticker

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Carlos Dávila-2
Attached is version 3 of roadNameConfig patch. I tried to add all
suggestions received. Only things omitted are "de las", "de los", "la"
and "el" suffixes for portuguese (can be added to local files by anyone
who want to use them) and removal of English prefixes, which may need
some more discussion. Please check if I missed something and comment
improvements.

El 15/06/17 a las 17:47, Ticker Berkin escribió:

> Hi all
>
> For United Kingdom I suggest:
>
> suffix:en = " Avenue", " Close", " Court", " Crescent", " Drive",
>    " Gate", " Grove", " Lane", " Mews", " Parade", " Place", " Road",
>    " Square", " Street", " Terrace", " View", " Way"
>
> Having:
>
> prefix1:en = "North ", "East ", "South ", "West "
>
> is not a good idea here for two reasons:
> 1/ It is very rare for there to be a "way" where an initial compass
> point is not a significant part of its name.
> 2/ "ways" like "North Street", "West Way", "East View", "South Parade"
> etc are very common.
>
> Generally, the suffix should be removed first and, if removing the
> prefix gives an empty result, the prefix should be restored.
>
> Ticker
>
>

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Stéphane MARTIN
Hi,

I propose to add for France "Cours" and "Impasse".
You can find sometime "Cour" in a street name but I think this is a
spelling mistake.

Regards.
Steph

Le 15/06/2017 à 23:01, Carlos Dávila a écrit :

> Attached is version 3 of roadNameConfig patch. I tried to add all
> suggestions received. Only things omitted are "de las", "de los", "la"
> and "el" suffixes for portuguese (can be added to local files by anyone
> who want to use them) and removal of English prefixes, which may need
> some more discussion. Please check if I missed something and comment
> improvements.
>
> El 15/06/17 a las 17:47, Ticker Berkin escribió:
>> Hi all
>>
>> For United Kingdom I suggest:
>>
>> suffix:en = " Avenue", " Close", " Court", " Crescent", " Drive",
>>    " Gate", " Grove", " Lane", " Mews", " Parade", " Place", " Road",
>>    " Square", " Street", " Terrace", " View", " Way"
>>
>> Having:
>>
>> prefix1:en = "North ", "East ", "South ", "West "
>>
>> is not a good idea here for two reasons:
>> 1/ It is very rare for there to be a "way" where an initial compass
>> point is not a significant part of its name.
>> 2/ "ways" like "North Street", "West Way", "East View", "South Parade"
>> etc are very common.
>>
>> Generally, the suffix should be removed first and, if removing the
>> prefix gives an empty result, the prefix should be restored.
>>
>> Ticker
>>
>>
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Gerd Petermann
Hi all,

I am not sure what to think about the suggestions. My understanding of the feature is that it can help to ease address search,
but this only works when the user is able to guess the list of prefix1 words, correct?
So, when you create the map for your own, use whatever you like, else I would try to keep the list short so that it only contains
the most obvious prefixes. In Germany we also have prefixes like An,  Auf, Beim, Zum  etc. but they are not used that often, so I did not
add them to the sample.

Reg. suffixes I am not so sure, they are probably less harmfull.

Comments?
Gerd


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Hi,

I propose to add for France "Cours" and "Impasse".
You can find sometime "Cour" in a street name but I think this is a
spelling mistake.

Regards.
Steph

Le 15/06/2017 à 23:01, Carlos Dávila a écrit :

> Attached is version 3 of roadNameConfig patch. I tried to add all
> suggestions received. Only things omitted are "de las", "de los", "la"
> and "el" suffixes for portuguese (can be added to local files by anyone
> who want to use them) and removal of English prefixes, which may need
> some more discussion. Please check if I missed something and comment
> improvements.
>
> El 15/06/17 a las 17:47, Ticker Berkin escribió:
>> Hi all
>>
>> For United Kingdom I suggest:
>>
>> suffix:en = " Avenue", " Close", " Court", " Crescent", " Drive",
>>    " Gate", " Grove", " Lane", " Mews", " Parade", " Place", " Road",
>>    " Square", " Street", " Terrace", " View", " Way"
>>
>> Having:
>>
>> prefix1:en = "North ", "East ", "South ", "West "
>>
>> is not a good idea here for two reasons:
>> 1/ It is very rare for there to be a "way" where an initial compass
>> point is not a significant part of its name.
>> 2/ "ways" like "North Street", "West Way", "East View", "South Parade"
>> etc are very common.
>>
>> Generally, the suffix should be removed first and, if removing the
>> prefix gives an empty result, the prefix should be restored.
>>
>> Ticker
>>
>>
>
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Ticker Berkin
Hi

For English, I don't think there should be any prefixes, so can't
comment on this aspect.

I've been using a map built with --road-name-config with a long list of
suffixes for a few days and:

1/ The GMAPSUPP.IMG is slightly bigger (0.083%)

2/ Find>Address isn't as natural to use. The Streets in the list don't
have the suffix and only when you select one, do you see, in the list
of matching addresses, all the variants (Road, Avenue, etc)

3/ On the map, at medium resolution, my device picks out some streets
names and shows them without the suffix. These have a similar
appearance to area features and are just plain confusing because it
isn't obvious when the name is there, whereas, when it had the full
road name it was.

I'm swapping back to --no-road-name-config

Regards
Ticker

On Thu, 2017-07-27 at 06:25 +0000, Gerd Petermann wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am not sure what to think about the suggestions. My understanding
> of the feature is that it can help to ease address search,
> but this only works when the user is able to guess the list of
> prefix1 words, correct?
> So, when you create the map for your own, use whatever you like, else
> I would try to keep the list short so that it only contains
> the most obvious prefixes. In Germany we also have prefixes like An,
>  Auf, Beim, Zum  etc. but they are not used that often, so I did not
> add them to the sample.
>
> Reg. suffixes I am not so sure, they are probably less harmfull.
>
> Comments?
> Gerd
>
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: mkgmap-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag
> von Stéphane MARTIN <[hidden email]>
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Juni 2017 07:53:14
> An: Development list for mkgmap; Carlos Dávila
> Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by
> Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages
>
> Hi,
>
> I propose to add for France "Cours" and "Impasse".
> You can find sometime "Cour" in a street name but I think this is a
> spelling mistake.
>
> Regards.
> Steph
>
> Le 15/06/2017 à 23:01, Carlos Dávila a écrit :
> > Attached is version 3 of roadNameConfig patch. I tried to add all
> > suggestions received. Only things omitted are "de las", "de los",
> > "la"
> > and "el" suffixes for portuguese (can be added to local files by
> > anyone
> > who want to use them) and removal of English prefixes, which may
> > need
> > some more discussion. Please check if I missed something and
> > comment
> > improvements.
> >
> > El 15/06/17 a las 17:47, Ticker Berkin escribió:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > For United Kingdom I suggest:
> > >
> > > suffix:en = " Avenue", " Close", " Court", " Crescent", " Drive",
> > >    " Gate", " Grove", " Lane", " Mews", " Parade", " Place", "
> > > Road",
> > >    " Square", " Street", " Terrace", " View", " Way"
> > >
> > > Having:
> > >
> > > prefix1:en = "North ", "East ", "South ", "West "
> > >
> > > is not a good idea here for two reasons:
> > > 1/ It is very rare for there to be a "way" where an initial
> > > compass
> > > point is not a significant part of its name.
> > > 2/ "ways" like "North Street", "West Way", "East View", "South
> > > Parade"
> > > etc are very common.
> > >
> > > Generally, the suffix should be removed first and, if removing
> > > the
> > > prefix gives an empty result, the prefix should be restored.
> > >
> > > Ticker
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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