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DataSet: Victoria: Parks and Conservation Reserves

Adam Horan
Hi All,


I'm trying to understand if this datasource is covered by the existing permissions that are referenced on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia 

I see on that page that data has been incorporated from data.vic.gov.au but i don't see any supporting discussion similar to what exists for the data.gov.au references.

I'm not currently looking to do an automated import or anything, but to use the dataset for validation and tagging of existing reserve and park boundaries etc. The dataset also includes protected status indicators and IUCN codes.
Most of the current reserves and national parks that i've looked at in VIC, have no source or other indications about where the boundary information has come from, and they include boundaries that are not visible on the ground or via bing imagery etc.

Thanks,

Adam




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Re: DataSet: Victoria: Parks and Conservation Reserves

David Bannon-2

Does not look good Adam !

"shall not copy or reproduce the Licensed Material without the
Licensor’s prior written consent"

"shall keep the Licensed Material confidential and shall not Commercialise or otherwise disclose"

"shall not ..... or otherwise disclose the Licensed Material so Enhanced"

Wish I had not downloaded a lump of it, they can now come and inspect any of my property or computers to make sure I haven’t got too many copies or what ever. Must say, not a very open release of data IMHO.

David


On 21/10/15 11:20, Adam Horan wrote:
Hi All,


I'm trying to understand if this datasource is covered by the existing permissions that are referenced on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia 

I see on that page that data has been incorporated from data.vic.gov.au but i don't see any supporting discussion similar to what exists for the data.gov.au references.

I'm not currently looking to do an automated import or anything, but to use the dataset for validation and tagging of existing reserve and park boundaries etc. The dataset also includes protected status indicators and IUCN codes.
Most of the current reserves and national parks that i've looked at in VIC, have no source or other indications about where the boundary information has come from, and they include boundaries that are not visible on the ground or via bing imagery etc.

Thanks,

Adam





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Re: DataSet: Victoria: Parks and Conservation Reserves

Adam Horan
Hi,

Those are the terms in the generic DSE_Data_Access_Licence.pdf document that is included in the download.

But the initial download page linked mentions no licenses other than the CC BY 3.0 AU.

It's a bit of a puzzle. I shall assume for now that the more restrictive license wins, and try and find someone to clarify it on the data.vic site.

Does anyone have a view on if this data was truly CC BY 3.0 AU then it would be ok?

thanks,

Adam

On 22 October 2015 at 14:30, David Bannon <[hidden email]> wrote:

Does not look good Adam !

"shall not copy or reproduce the Licensed Material without the
Licensor’s prior written consent"

"shall keep the Licensed Material confidential and shall not Commercialise or otherwise disclose"

"shall not ..... or otherwise disclose the Licensed Material so Enhanced"

Wish I had not downloaded a lump of it, they can now come and inspect any of my property or computers to make sure I haven’t got too many copies or what ever. Must say, not a very open release of data IMHO.

David



On 21/10/15 11:20, Adam Horan wrote:
Hi All,


I'm trying to understand if this datasource is covered by the existing permissions that are referenced on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia 

I see on that page that data has been incorporated from data.vic.gov.au but i don't see any supporting discussion similar to what exists for the data.gov.au references.

I'm not currently looking to do an automated import or anything, but to use the dataset for validation and tagging of existing reserve and park boundaries etc. The dataset also includes protected status indicators and IUCN codes.
Most of the current reserves and national parks that i've looked at in VIC, have no source or other indications about where the boundary information has come from, and they include boundaries that are not visible on the ground or via bing imagery etc.

Thanks,

Adam





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Re: DataSet: Victoria: Parks and Conservation Reserves

Nathanael Coyne
No I don't think CC license would be sufficed, it seems it has to be Public Domain or explicitly granted such as this license from Mapbox:




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On 22 October 2015 at 18:07, Adam Horan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

Those are the terms in the generic DSE_Data_Access_Licence.pdf document that is included in the download.

But the initial download page linked mentions no licenses other than the CC BY 3.0 AU.

It's a bit of a puzzle. I shall assume for now that the more restrictive license wins, and try and find someone to clarify it on the data.vic site.

Does anyone have a view on if this data was truly CC BY 3.0 AU then it would be ok?

thanks,

Adam

On 22 October 2015 at 14:30, David Bannon <[hidden email]> wrote:

Does not look good Adam !

"shall not copy or reproduce the Licensed Material without the
Licensor’s prior written consent"

"shall keep the Licensed Material confidential and shall not Commercialise or otherwise disclose"

"shall not ..... or otherwise disclose the Licensed Material so Enhanced"

Wish I had not downloaded a lump of it, they can now come and inspect any of my property or computers to make sure I haven’t got too many copies or what ever. Must say, not a very open release of data IMHO.

David



On 21/10/15 11:20, Adam Horan wrote:
Hi All,


I'm trying to understand if this datasource is covered by the existing permissions that are referenced on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia 

I see on that page that data has been incorporated from data.vic.gov.au but i don't see any supporting discussion similar to what exists for the data.gov.au references.

I'm not currently looking to do an automated import or anything, but to use the dataset for validation and tagging of existing reserve and park boundaries etc. The dataset also includes protected status indicators and IUCN codes.
Most of the current reserves and national parks that i've looked at in VIC, have no source or other indications about where the boundary information has come from, and they include boundaries that are not visible on the ground or via bing imagery etc.

Thanks,

Adam





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Re: DataSet: Victoria: Parks and Conservation Reserves

Adam Horan
Yes, CC on it's own might not be enough. However there are already Australian CC BY datasets in OSM via a claimed blanket approval for all CC BY spatial datasets from data.gov.au see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia (see also the discussion page)

There are also some CC-BY datasets from the data.vic.gov.au site listed on the OSM contributors page, but I don't see anything referenced to support their inclusion.

I was hoping someone already knew more about this.

On 22 October 2015 at 18:35, Nathanael Coyne <[hidden email]> wrote:
No I don't think CC license would be sufficed, it seems it has to be Public Domain or explicitly granted such as this license from Mapbox:




Nathanael Coyne (Boehm)

www.purecaffeine.com

Canberra, Australia
0431 698 580


On 22 October 2015 at 18:07, Adam Horan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

Those are the terms in the generic DSE_Data_Access_Licence.pdf document that is included in the download.

But the initial download page linked mentions no licenses other than the CC BY 3.0 AU.

It's a bit of a puzzle. I shall assume for now that the more restrictive license wins, and try and find someone to clarify it on the data.vic site.

Does anyone have a view on if this data was truly CC BY 3.0 AU then it would be ok?

thanks,

Adam

On 22 October 2015 at 14:30, David Bannon <[hidden email]> wrote:

Does not look good Adam !

"shall not copy or reproduce the Licensed Material without the
Licensor’s prior written consent"

"shall keep the Licensed Material confidential and shall not Commercialise or otherwise disclose"

"shall not ..... or otherwise disclose the Licensed Material so Enhanced"

Wish I had not downloaded a lump of it, they can now come and inspect any of my property or computers to make sure I haven’t got too many copies or what ever. Must say, not a very open release of data IMHO.

David



On 21/10/15 11:20, Adam Horan wrote:
Hi All,


I'm trying to understand if this datasource is covered by the existing permissions that are referenced on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia 

I see on that page that data has been incorporated from data.vic.gov.au but i don't see any supporting discussion similar to what exists for the data.gov.au references.

I'm not currently looking to do an automated import or anything, but to use the dataset for validation and tagging of existing reserve and park boundaries etc. The dataset also includes protected status indicators and IUCN codes.
Most of the current reserves and national parks that i've looked at in VIC, have no source or other indications about where the boundary information has come from, and they include boundaries that are not visible on the ground or via bing imagery etc.

Thanks,

Adam





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