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Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

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Hi Tagging List,


Here is the RFC for the proposal for rideshare vehicle access:


Proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access

Discussion: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access 


This proposes the addition of rideshare as a use-based access mode for land-based transportation. This would enable mapping restriction or permission of rideshare vehicles to nodes and ways. As mentioned in the proposal example cases, this typically arises in dense traffic patterns such as airport pickup zones.


This proposal originated from the experience of the Lyft mapping team seeking to improve the accuracy of routes we build from an OSM-based map. Because our rideshare operations are North America based, we bring a perspective that centers the policy for right-of-way in this context. We would especially appreciate feedback on the applicability of this tagging to other parts of the world.


Looking forward to your commentary and feedback.


Clare


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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

Joseph Eisenberg
Clare,

The "proposal" section currently fails to include the actual proposal: that is, what new key and tags are you proposing to use?

It looks like the proposal is: "approve the use of the new key "rideshare=" with values "yes" and "no" to specify legal access for rideshare vehicles."

But you will also need to add a definition of a "rideshare vehicle", since this will need to be translated for places where Lyft and Uber do not operate, and where English is not used (e.g. Indonesia). Unfortunately I don't see a good online source for a definition.

Is a Gojek motorcycle a rideshare vehicle? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojek
What about pedicabs (tricycles) which are hailed with a smartphone app?
Or should only passenger cars be included?
What about taxis which also get fares via an app?

- Joseph Eisenberg

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:44 PM Clare Corthell via Tagging <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Tagging List,


Here is the RFC for the proposal for rideshare vehicle access:


Proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access

Discussion: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access 


This proposes the addition of rideshare as a use-based access mode for land-based transportation. This would enable mapping restriction or permission of rideshare vehicles to nodes and ways. As mentioned in the proposal example cases, this typically arises in dense traffic patterns such as airport pickup zones.


This proposal originated from the experience of the Lyft mapping team seeking to improve the accuracy of routes we build from an OSM-based map. Because our rideshare operations are North America based, we bring a perspective that centers the policy for right-of-way in this context. We would especially appreciate feedback on the applicability of this tagging to other parts of the world.


Looking forward to your commentary and feedback.


Clare


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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

nathan case

Clare: this is a good discussion to have.

 

It seems as though the emergence of rideshare services is still being addressed at various legal levels but, at least in the UK, rideshare vehicles are not classed taxis and so are not ordinarily entitled to use bus/taxi lanes. If situations exist where rideshares are specifically allowed (or not), and that access is distinct from taxi or a regular motor_vehicle, then a key should exist to denote that. I note that the proposal has been updated to reflect such cases.

 

> Joseph Eisenberg: But you will also need to add a definition of a "rideshare vehicle", since this will need to be translated for places where Lyft and Uber do not operate, and where English is not used (e.g. Indonesia). Unfortunately I don't see a good online source for a definition.

 

Perhaps such definitions are dependent upon local/national legislation. In your follow on examples, do those services enjoy the same access rights as PSVs? If yes, then perhaps they should simply be covered by that tag? If they do not, do they have any additional or fewer access rights than simply motor_vehicle/cycle? If not, then perhaps they should simply be covered by those respective tags?

 

So a definition could be something along the lines of: “A private hire vehicle, often booked through an online service or a mobile application, that does not enjoy the same legal standing as a taxi service. Exact definition may depend on local law but usually denotes services such as Uber and Lyft.”

 

A taxi that also takes bookings/collects fares via an app is still a taxi, in my opinion.

 

Regards,

 

Nathan

 

 

From: Joseph Eisenberg <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:32 AM
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

 

Clare,

 

The "proposal" section currently fails to include the actual proposal: that is, what new key and tags are you proposing to use?

 

It looks like the proposal is: "approve the use of the new key "rideshare=" with values "yes" and "no" to specify legal access for rideshare vehicles."

But you will also need to add a definition of a "rideshare vehicle", since this will need to be translated for places where Lyft and Uber do not operate, and where English is not used (e.g. Indonesia). Unfortunately I don't see a good online source for a definition.

 

Is a Gojek motorcycle a rideshare vehicle? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojek

What about pedicabs (tricycles) which are hailed with a smartphone app?

Or should only passenger cars be included?

What about taxis which also get fares via an app?

 

- Joseph Eisenberg

 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:44 PM Clare Corthell via Tagging <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Tagging List,

 

Here is the RFC for the proposal for rideshare vehicle access:

 

Proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access

Discussion: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access 

 

This proposes the addition of rideshare as a use-based access mode for land-based transportation. This would enable mapping restriction or permission of rideshare vehicles to nodes and ways. As mentioned in the proposal example cases, this typically arises in dense traffic patterns such as airport pickup zones.

 

This proposal originated from the experience of the Lyft mapping team seeking to improve the accuracy of routes we build from an OSM-based map. Because our rideshare operations are North America based, we bring a perspective that centers the policy for right-of-way in this context. We would especially appreciate feedback on the applicability of this tagging to other parts of the world.

 

Looking forward to your commentary and feedback.

 

Clare

 

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