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Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

Pablo
Hello,

A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could help find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag is accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their spots.
You can find it here :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot

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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

Jmapb
On 5/21/2019 3:34 PM, Pablo wrote
> A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could help find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag is accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their spots.
> You can find it here :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot

juggling=spot is not a great tag, since it doesn't follow the existing
tagging conventions. Better would be sport=juggling -- but the sport=*
tag has to be added to some other physical feature; it's not a valid tag
all by itself.

If there's a signed or otherwise documented and verifiable place that's
*primarily* designed/used for juggling, it could be tagged leisure=pitch
+ sport=juggling.

If this use not verifiable by other mappers, the juggling tag will
probably be deleted.

J



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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

marc marc
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Hello,

Le 21.05.19 à 21:34, Pablo a écrit :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot

I you think that juggling is a sport, sport tag exist,
just add sport=juggling

but we miss a main tag for sport that does not take place on a delimited
sports field, the same issue exist with outdoor sport=scuba_diving
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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

Warin
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On 22/05/19 05:34, Pablo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could help find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag is accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their spots.
> You can find it here :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot

Sport? I don't really see it as a sport. More entertainment/recreation. There are quire a few things that need a tagging scheme to suit them.
E.g. buskers. These take place in certain spots regularly around me. The popularity of the spot might be related to the earnings.
Are these jugglers accepting money for their 'performance'? If so it might be a good idea to incorporate others who do a 'performance' that also accept money.


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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

Pablo
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Thx for your answers :).

I m speaking of juggling as a sport and not as entertainment. These meetings are not organised to earn money or to make shows, but to practice and meet each other.

I don't know any spaces primarily used for juggling, bukers, scuba diving, slack line, or other sport that don't need peculiar infrastructures. (Even ski station are not primarily used for ski in summer). So why not use the tag leisure = pitch sport=juggling?  And if needed adding another sport=whatever.

Verifiability : it s only verifiable in the dates where people meet (in winter theses places are commonly not used). As, you can't verify the proprieties of a shop went it's close. Sometime the address can be find on the website of the juggling association or on Facebook groups, sometimes you have to find the people who know where and when theses meeting occurs. In any case it can be verified but not anytime.

However, this ephemeral  spaces exist and are used. So I think it could be usefull to create a maintag "for sport that does not take place on a delimited
sport field". This wild resolve the problem of the format leisure = pitch sport = juggling. Don t you think ?Le 22 mai 2019 00:05, Jmapb <[hidden email]> a écrit :

>
> On 5/21/2019 3:34 PM, Pablo wrote
> > A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could help find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag is accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their spots.
> > You can find it here :
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot
>
> juggling=spot is not a great tag, since it doesn't follow the existing
> tagging conventions. Better would be sport=juggling -- but the sport=*
> tag has to be added to some other physical feature; it's not a valid tag
> all by itself.
>
> If there's a signed or otherwise documented and verifiable place that's
> *primarily* designed/used for juggling, it could be tagged leisure=pitch
> + sport=juggling.
>
> If this use not verifiable by other mappers, the juggling tag will
> probably be deleted.
>
> J
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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

Marc Gemis
For me, a sport means competition, rankings, trophies. Is this the
case here? Otherwise, I think leisure is better.
A pitch a place specially designed for a certain sport. I think this
is not the case here. It's just an open space, which can also serve
other purposes.

I fear that a juggling spot is not something we should add to OSM,
We do not map places where you can skateboard, unless there is a
dedicated area to practice containing ramps, etc.

As a solution, you create a umap with spots for juggling.

regards

m.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:28 AM Pablo <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Thx for your answers :).
>
> I m speaking of juggling as a sport and not as entertainment. These meetings are not organised to earn money or to make shows, but to practice and meet each other.
>
> I don't know any spaces primarily used for juggling, bukers, scuba diving, slack line, or other sport that don't need peculiar infrastructures. (Even ski station are not primarily used for ski in summer). So why not use the tag leisure = pitch sport=juggling?  And if needed adding another sport=whatever.
>
> Verifiability : it s only verifiable in the dates where people meet (in winter theses places are commonly not used). As, you can't verify the proprieties of a shop went it's close. Sometime the address can be find on the website of the juggling association or on Facebook groups, sometimes you have to find the people who know where and when theses meeting occurs. In any case it can be verified but not anytime.
>
> However, this ephemeral  spaces exist and are used. So I think it could be usefull to create a maintag "for sport that does not take place on a delimited
> sport field". This wild resolve the problem of the format leisure = pitch sport = juggling. Don t you think ?Le 22 mai 2019 00:05, Jmapb <[hidden email]> a écrit :
> >
> > On 5/21/2019 3:34 PM, Pablo wrote
> > > A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could help find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag is accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their spots.
> > > You can find it here :
> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot
> >
> > juggling=spot is not a great tag, since it doesn't follow the existing
> > tagging conventions. Better would be sport=juggling -- but the sport=*
> > tag has to be added to some other physical feature; it's not a valid tag
> > all by itself.
> >
> > If there's a signed or otherwise documented and verifiable place that's
> > *primarily* designed/used for juggling, it could be tagged leisure=pitch
> > + sport=juggling.
> >
> > If this use not verifiable by other mappers, the juggling tag will
> > probably be deleted.
> >
> > J
> >
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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

Tom Pfeifer
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On 22.05.2019 00:09, marc marc wrote:
> I you think that juggling is a sport, sport tag exist,
> just add sport=juggling
>
> but we miss a main tag for sport that does not take place on a delimited
> sports field, the same issue exist with outdoor sport=scuba_diving

maybe leisure=location or leisure=sport[s]_location ?

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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

Pablo
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Hey,

Okey, i will try To créateur a umap. I pass thé proposition to rejected ?Le 22 mai 2019 10:30, Marc Gemis <[hidden email]> a écrit :

>
> For me, a sport means competition, rankings, trophies. Is this the
> case here? Otherwise, I think leisure is better.
> A pitch a place specially designed for a certain sport. I think this
> is not the case here. It's just an open space, which can also serve
> other purposes.
>
> I fear that a juggling spot is not something we should add to OSM,
> We do not map places where you can skateboard, unless there is a
> dedicated area to practice containing ramps, etc.
>
> As a solution, you create a umap with spots for juggling.
>
> regards
>
> m.
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:28 AM Pablo <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Thx for your answers :).
> >
> > I m speaking of juggling as a sport and not as entertainment. These meetings are not organised to earn money or to make shows, but to practice and meet each other.
> >
> > I don't know any spaces primarily used for juggling, bukers, scuba diving, slack line, or other sport that don't need peculiar infrastructures. (Even ski station are not primarily used for ski in summer). So why not use the tag leisure = pitch sport=juggling?  And if needed adding another sport=whatever.
> >
> > Verifiability : it s only verifiable in the dates where people meet (in winter theses places are commonly not used). As, you can't verify the proprieties of a shop went it's close. Sometime the address can be find on the website of the juggling association or on Facebook groups, sometimes you have to find the people who know where and when theses meeting occurs. In any case it can be verified but not anytime.
> >
> > However, this ephemeral  spaces exist and are used. So I think it could be usefull to create a maintag "for sport that does not take place on a delimited
> > sport field". This wild resolve the problem of the format leisure = pitch sport = juggling. Don t you think ?Le 22 mai 2019 00:05, Jmapb <[hidden email]> a écrit :
> > >
> > > On 5/21/2019 3:34 PM, Pablo wrote
> > > > A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could help find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag is accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their spots.
> > > > You can find it here :
> > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot
> > >
> > > juggling=spot is not a great tag, since it doesn't follow the existing
> > > tagging conventions. Better would be sport=juggling -- but the sport=*
> > > tag has to be added to some other physical feature; it's not a valid tag
> > > all by itself.
> > >
> > > If there's a signed or otherwise documented and verifiable place that's
> > > *primarily* designed/used for juggling, it could be tagged leisure=pitch
> > > + sport=juggling.
> > >
> > > If this use not verifiable by other mappers, the juggling tag will
> > > probably be deleted.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

Jmapb
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On 5/22/2019 4:30 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
> For me, a sport means competition, rankings, trophies. Is this the
> case here? Otherwise, I think leisure is better.
> A pitch a place specially designed for a certain sport. I think this
> is not the case here. It's just an open space, which can also serve
> other purposes.
>
> I fear that a juggling spot is not something we should add to OSM,
> We do not map places where you can skateboard, unless there is a
> dedicated area to practice containing ramps, etc.

I tend to agree that a juggling "spot" would likely not be primarily
intended for juggling in any verifiable way, and so should not be mapped
on OSM.

But regarding your sport definition ("competition, rankings, trophies"):
there is wide tagging of non-competition sport features in OSM. Sport
values like skateboard, canoe, fishing, surfing may *occasionally* refer
to locations of competitive activity, but I'd wager the vast majority of
them are simply for leisure. Other common sport values like
scuba_diving, exercise, and yoga probably rarely if ever indicate a
competitive sport.

J


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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

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> On 22. May 2019, at 01:43, Warin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> These take place in certain spots regularly around me. The popularity of the spot might be related to the earnings.
> Are these jugglers accepting money for their 'performance'? If so it might be a good idea to incorporate others who do a 'performance' that also accept money.


I also frequently see jugglers at the traffic lights, but they are not frequent enough yet to map them ;-)

One guy is pretty good, he’s juggling 5 clubs on top of a ladder (the simple linear ladders, not the self-supporting)

Cheers, Martin
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On 22. May 2019, at 09:26, Pablo <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't know any spaces primarily used for juggling, bukers, scuba diving, slack line, or other sport that don't need peculiar infrastructures. (Even ski station are not primarily used for ski in summer). So why not use the tag leisure = pitch sport=juggling?  And if needed adding another sport=whatever.


is there any „pitch“? What about
 leisure=spot

 Could be used for fishing as well (ok, they’re using leisure=fishing currently:

There are also 4 juggling=spot and the word is not used as a value.

sport=juggling sounds reasonable, if fishing and chess are sports.

Cheers, Martin 

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