Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

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Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

pangose
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Från: pangoSE <[hidden email]>
Skickat: 9 augusti 2020 11:09:08 CEST
Till: Mateusz Konieczny <[hidden email]>
Ämne: Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

Hi

Thanks for the response.


Mateusz Konieczny via talk <[hidden email]> skrev: (9 augusti 2020 10:42:21 CEST)
Aug 9, 2020, 10:25 by [hidden email]:

I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating
names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag.

Absolutely no.

tagging name tag is a fundamental  part of OSM tag,
offloading it to a third party service is a mistake that will not
happen

I disagree. Redundancy is a problem waiting to be solved.


https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655 contains several misleading,
wrong, mistaken
and problematic claims, statements and implications but I have no time
to process in detail
as the entire idea is fundamentally bad, mistaken, problematic, broken,
not workable,
not acceptable, not going to happen and wrong.

I disagree. The current handling of names in osm is redundant in many cases and badly broken when it comes to references.


Some samples:

"there is no such thing as an international name. Names are part of a
language whih is part of a culture. They are not GIS objects and the
osm datamodel does not handle this complexity well at all."

Are you aware that we have other tags beyond name tag?

Yes


loc_name, name:pl and many others?

Yes. This is not a blocker. For loc_name and others a new wikidata property can be created.


"No more name vandalism in osm. We export the name handling to
wikidata which has a much better system for handling vandalism."

Because vandalism in third-party service is superior?
Are you seriously claiming that Wikidata has less trouble with
vandalism
and deals with it better?

Yes. The new york defacement could most probably have been avoided wih this approach. I have no statistics to back up this claim though.

If anyone have statistics I would love to read them.

Cheers

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