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Need someone in the south to review an edit

Paul Johnson-3
Brandify put up a rather suspicious mass deletion recently.  I suspect that one of their customers stopped paying/had a term contract that expired and Brandify mass-deleted the entire chain.  But it is possible that the chain went out of business and their website is still active.  Could I get someone in the south to take a look at this and see if locations near you that was deleted closed?

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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Shawn K. Quinn
On 6/13/19 23:29, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Brandify put up a rather suspicious mass deletion
> <https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/71184772/> recently.  I suspect
> that one of their customers stopped paying/had a term contract that
> expired and Brandify mass-deleted the entire chain.  But it is possible
> that the chain went out of business and their website is still active. 
> Could I get someone in the south to take a look at this and see if
> locations near you that was deleted closed?

One of the following changeset comments suggests the deletions in this
changeset are to remove duplicates added by mistake previously.

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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Micah Cochran

One of the following changeset comments suggests the deletions in this
changeset are to remove duplicates added by mistake previously.


I checked the a few local locations of the business (Athens, Alabama).  There are still nodes/ways for the "Express Oil Change" locations, which would seem to suggest that it was just correcting duplicates (as Shawn pointed out).  

The business is still in business, I think I drove by one this week.

Micah Cochran

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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Paul Johnson-3
Aaah, OK.  Would have been nice if Brandify Tran replied to changeset comments. 

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 10:01 Micah Cochran <[hidden email]> wrote:

One of the following changeset comments suggests the deletions in this
changeset are to remove duplicates added by mistake previously.


I checked the a few local locations of the business (Athens, Alabama).  There are still nodes/ways for the "Express Oil Change" locations, which would seem to suggest that it was just correcting duplicates (as Shawn pointed out).  

The business is still in business, I think I drove by one this week.

Micah Cochran
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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Andy Townsend
On 14/06/2019 16:56, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Aaah, OK.  Would have been nice if Brandify Tran replied to changeset
> comments.
>
With a DWG hat on I'll send them a "message that they have to read
before continuing to edit" and ask them to check their registered email
account.

Best Regards,

Andy




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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Rihards
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On 14.06.19 17:59, Micah Cochran wrote:
>
>     One of the following changeset comments suggests the deletions in this
>     changeset are to remove duplicates added by mistake previously.
>
>
> I checked the a few local locations of the business (Athens, Alabama). 
> There are still nodes/ways for the "Express Oil Change" locations, which
> would seem to suggest that it was just correcting duplicates (as Shawn
> pointed out).  

I zoomed in on one location, and the node was, judging by the imagery,
on a street (literally). I hope Brandify does not set locations from
Google address searches.

> The business is still in business, I think I drove by one this week.
>
> Micah Cochran--
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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Frederik Ramm
Hi,

On 6/14/19 10:27 PM, Rihards wrote:
> I zoomed in on one location, and the node was, judging by the imagery,
> on a street (literally). I hope Brandify does not set locations from
> Google address searches.

I did that a few days ago when investigating this large deletion, and
also found that many of the objects are bang in the middle of roads.
Which means at the very least that their location has not been visually
inspected by the uploader.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Leon Karcher
Hey,

On 14.06.19 22:32, Rihards wrote:

> I hope Brandify does not set locations from
> Google address searches.

Brandify wrote they had their own database, which they got directly from the companies.

I'm currently moving the objects to their actual position with streetlevel imagery (where available).

-Leon (doktorpxel14)



Am Sa., 15. Juni 2019 um 14:49 Uhr schrieb Frederik Ramm <[hidden email]>:
Hi,

On 6/14/19 10:27 PM, Rihards wrote:
> I zoomed in on one location, and the node was, judging by the imagery,
> on a street (literally). I hope Brandify does not set locations from
> Google address searches.

I did that a few days ago when investigating this large deletion, and
also found that many of the objects are bang in the middle of roads.
Which means at the very least that their location has not been visually
inspected by the uploader.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Paul Johnson-3
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On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 7:45 AM Frederik Ramm <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

On 6/14/19 10:27 PM, Rihards wrote:
> I zoomed in on one location, and the node was, judging by the imagery,
> on a street (literally). I hope Brandify does not set locations from
> Google address searches.

I did that a few days ago when investigating this large deletion, and
also found that many of the objects are bang in the middle of roads.
Which means at the very least that their location has not been visually
inspected by the uploader.

I'm not against companies for hire mapping, but...do we have any guidelines actually requiring them to accurately geocode what they're bringing?  Kind of feel like most of my dedicated mapping time is now spent dealing with SEO spam and low quality brand location data. 

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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Frederik Ramm
Hi,

On 6/15/19 4:29 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> I'm not against companies for hire mapping, but...do we have any
> guidelines actually requiring them to accurately geocode what they're
> bringing?  Kind of feel like most of my dedicated mapping time is now
> spent dealing with SEO spam and low quality brand location data. 

We have organised editing guidelines that cover these kinds of jobs. The
guidelines set some quality expectations and also request that people
explain what they are doing *before* they do it, allowing us to ask
questions like "how do you intend to geocode stuff" etc.

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines

It makes total sense to point out these guidelines to any commercial
mappers you encounter; if nothing else, this will divide those who want
to play by the rules from those who don't give a shit.

Not following the organised editing guidelines is not a rule violation
in itself, but if not following the guidelines leads to bona fide
mappers like yourself saying "most of my dedicated mapping time is now
spent dealing with SEO spam and low quality brand location data." then
this is clearly a case where the guidelines need to be enforced, and I'm
more than happy to block any and all organised mapping teams who
willfully disregard the guidelines and cause trouble down the line
because of that.

The guidelines are fairly new and haven't "arrived" in the community the
same way the import or automated edit rules have, but I hope that
awareness about this is growing, and everyday hobbyist mappers will
start pointing out these rules to organiesed editors they encounter.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Paul Johnson-3
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:07 AM Frederik Ramm <[hidden email]> wrote:
Not following the organised editing guidelines is not a rule violation
in itself, but if not following the guidelines leads to bona fide
mappers like yourself saying "most of my dedicated mapping time is now
spent dealing with SEO spam and low quality brand location data." then
this is clearly a case where the guidelines need to be enforced, and I'm
more than happy to block any and all organised mapping teams who
willfully disregard the guidelines and cause trouble down the line
because of that.

How are we handling the operation behind the zillion throwaway accounts, where they make a new account for each client, edit one time, then disappear, never replying to comments or direct messages? 

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Re: Need someone in the south to review an edit

Frederik Ramm
Hi,

On 6/15/19 6:15 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> How are we handling the operation behind the zillion throwaway accounts,
> where they make a new account for each client, edit one time, then
> disappear, never replying to comments or direct messages? 

I think this is done by PeanutButterRemedy.

Bye
Frederik

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