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Martin Wynne
In the local park there are two areas of play equipment for children.

One is fenced off and clearly intended for infants/toddlers accompanied
by parents.

Next to it there is a larger unfenced area containing play equipment for
unsupervised older children, large climbing structures, zip wires, etc.

leisure=playground allows min_age and max_age in years, but in this case
there are no signs giving specific age restrictions.

How best to map the distinction between the two areas?

Martin.

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Re: Playground age limits

Philip Barnes
I would map them as separate playgrounds, map the fence and gate then add age tags as appropriate to that area.

My towns main  rec has such a distinction, outside the fenced children's  area anyone can use the equipment.  

Phil (trigpoint)

On Tuesday, 4 June 2019, Martin Wynne wrote:

> In the local park there are two areas of play equipment for children.
>
> One is fenced off and clearly intended for infants/toddlers accompanied
> by parents.
>
> Next to it there is a larger unfenced area containing play equipment for
> unsupervised older children, large climbing structures, zip wires, etc.
>
> leisure=playground allows min_age and max_age in years, but in this case
> there are no signs giving specific age restrictions.
>
> How best to map the distinction between the two areas?
>
> Martin.
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Re: Playground age limits

Dan S
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IMHO if there are no actual restrictions, just implications, then
don't specify any min_age or max_age. Just map the fence as a fence.
If there are indeed restrictions, then do as Phil suggests...

Cheers
Dan

Op di 4 jun. 2019 om 15:22 schreef Martin Wynne <[hidden email]>:

>
> In the local park there are two areas of play equipment for children.
>
> One is fenced off and clearly intended for infants/toddlers accompanied
> by parents.
>
> Next to it there is a larger unfenced area containing play equipment for
> unsupervised older children, large climbing structures, zip wires, etc.
>
> leisure=playground allows min_age and max_age in years, but in this case
> there are no signs giving specific age restrictions.
>
> How best to map the distinction between the two areas?
>
> Martin.
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Re: Playground age limits

Martin Wynne
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On 04/06/2019 15:31, Philip Barnes wrote:
> I would map them as separate playgrounds, map the fence and gate then add age tags as appropriate to that area.
>
> My towns main  rec has such a distinction, outside the fenced children's  area anyone can use the equipment.

Hi Phil,

That's what I've done, but how do I add age tags if there are no signs?

I don't feel qualified to guess suitable ages in years. And max or min
suggests actual restrictions apply.

But it would surely be helpful to map users to know the type of play
equipment available? I'm tempted to try max_age=yes, min_age=no for the
fenced area, and min_age=yes for the remainder.

The main reason for the fence would seem to be the several NO DOGS
signs, which I have tagged.

cheers,

Martin.

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Re: Playground age limits

Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 4 June 2019, Martin Wynne wrote:

> On 04/06/2019 15:31, Philip Barnes wrote:
> > I would map them as separate playgrounds, map the fence and gate then add age tags as appropriate to that area.
> >
> > My towns main  rec has such a distinction, outside the fenced children's  area anyone can use the equipment.
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> That's what I've done, but how do I add age tags if there are no signs?
>
> I don't feel qualified to guess suitable ages in years. And max or min
> suggests actual restrictions apply.
>
> But it would surely be helpful to map users to know the type of play
> equipment available? I'm tempted to try max_age=yes, min_age=no for the
> fenced area, and min_age=yes for the remainder.
>
> The main reason for the fence would seem to be the several NO DOGS
> signs, which I have tagged.
>
The local fenced ones do have a maximum age on the sign. Can't remember what that is but I would only use it if there is a number. The unfenced area has no sign so I would not add a minimum age.

Mapping individual equipment is a possibility, whilst as a 58 year old I am unlikely to use the swings but I do use the exercise equipment and climbing wall.

Phil (trigpoint(

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max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

ebel
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On 04/06/2019 16:21, Martin Wynne wrote:

> In the local park there are two areas of play equipment for children.
>
> One is fenced off and clearly intended for infants/toddlers accompanied
> by parents.
>
> Next to it there is a larger unfenced area containing play equipment for
> unsupervised older children, large climbing structures, zip wires, etc.
>
> leisure=playground allows min_age and max_age in years, but in this case
> there are no signs giving specific age restrictions.
>
> How best to map the distinction between the two areas?
>
> Martin.

What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is that
the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than nothing?

You could try to micromap the individual pieces of equipment, which
might allow data consumers to deduce what's what, but I doubt this is
practical.

You can map if equipment can be used by kids with various degrees of
disabilities (`wheelchair`, `sitting_disability`, `walking_disability`
etc), which is just so nice. Please go out of your way to help them.

Obviously, put a `note` on the playgrounds explaining this.


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Re: Playground age limits

Martin Wynne
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> Mapping individual equipment is a possibility, whilst as a 58 year old I am unlikely to use the swings but I do use the exercise equipment and climbing wall.

Hi Phil,

Here the exercise equipment is in a separate area away from the
playground. According to the wiki it should be tagged
leisure=fitness_station, which I've done, although the signs call it a
"Green Gym".

As a 71-year-old my idea of exercise is to walk briskly by. :)

Martin.


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Re: max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

Martin Wynne
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> What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
> toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is that
> the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than nothing?

Thanks Rory.

I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it ok to
enter text?

Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?

Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean the
same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?

For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of
course there are also infant schools for toddlers.

cheers,

Martin.



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Re: max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 16:49 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote:

> > What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
> > toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is
> > that
> > the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than
> > nothing?
>
> Thanks Rory.
>
> I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it ok to
> enter text?
>
> Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?
>
> Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean
> the
> same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?
>
> For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of
> course there are also infant schools for toddlers.
>
The playgrounds around here have a specific age on the signs, can't
remember off the top of my head what it is, but it is a lot older than
toddlers. If it stops raining I will go and have a look at the local
one. It will be something between 8 and 12.

The other area has no age limits and it would be wrong for us to assume
one, each child is different and they will work out for themselves (or
with parental guidance) when they are ready. There will certainly be a
huge crossover.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

sk53.osm
It might be germane to this discussion to consider minheight & maxheight as possible values. Certainly in ski resorts it is not uncommon to see minimum heights for certain chair lifts (typically 1.25m) and I think I've seen similar on amusement park rides. Height is more likely to be a determining factor, even if not explicitly signed.

Jerry

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 18:34, Philip Barnes <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 16:49 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote:
> > What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
> > toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is
> > that
> > the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than
> > nothing?
>
> Thanks Rory.
>
> I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it ok to
> enter text?
>
> Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?
>
> Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean
> the
> same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?
>
> For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of
> course there are also infant schools for toddlers.
>
The playgrounds around here have a specific age on the signs, can't
remember off the top of my head what it is, but it is a lot older than
toddlers. If it stops raining I will go and have a look at the local
one. It will be something between 8 and 12.

The other area has no age limits and it would be wrong for us to assume
one, each child is different and they will work out for themselves (or
with parental guidance) when they are ready. There will certainly be a
huge crossover.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

Warin
Rather than enter text into a value where a number is expected .. why not use the description tag?
Description=For supervised younger children.
Description=For unsupervised older children.

??

On 05/06/19 03:51, SK53 wrote:
It might be germane to this discussion to consider minheight & maxheight as possible values. Certainly in ski resorts it is not uncommon to see minimum heights for certain chair lifts (typically 1.25m) and I think I've seen similar on amusement park rides. Height is more likely to be a determining factor, even if not explicitly signed.

Jerry

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 18:34, Philip Barnes <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 16:49 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote:
> > What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
> > toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is
> > that
> > the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than
> > nothing?
>
> Thanks Rory.
>
> I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it ok to
> enter text?
>
> Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?
>
> Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean
> the
> same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?
>
> For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of
> course there are also infant schools for toddlers.
>
The playgrounds around here have a specific age on the signs, can't
remember off the top of my head what it is, but it is a lot older than
toddlers. If it stops raining I will go and have a look at the local
one. It will be something between 8 and 12.

The other area has no age limits and it would be wrong for us to assume
one, each child is different and they will work out for themselves (or
with parental guidance) when they are ready. There will certainly be a
huge crossover.

Phil (trigpoint)




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Re: Playground age limits

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On 04/06/2019 16:09, Martin Wynne wrote:
> The main reason for the fence would seem to be the several NO DOGS
> signs, which I have tagged.

I've always assumed that such fences and the "adults must be accompanied
by a child sign", that often accompany them, is to keep out adults who
are not related to the children, as a child protection measure.

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Warin
On 05/06/19 09:35, David Woolley wrote:
> On 04/06/2019 16:09, Martin Wynne wrote:
>> The main reason for the fence would seem to be the several NO DOGS
>> signs, which I have tagged.
>
> I've always assumed that such fences and the "adults must be
> accompanied by a child sign", that often accompany them, is to keep
> out adults who are not related to the children, as a child protection
> measure.

humm ... the child is required to supervise the adult. I'd call that an
adult protection measure.


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Re: max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

ewmjc
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My thoughts also.

The description tag is very underused , IMHO. Specialist tags are undoubtedly extremely useful, they are precise, (should be) unambiguous and machine-read-friendly, but they do need to gain traction to be useful and are unfriendly when trying to convey fuzzy information, as seems to be the case here. And of course both can be used together when doing something new.

Mike

On 2019-06-05 01:35, Warin wrote:
Rather than enter text into a value where a number is expected .. why not use the description tag?
Description=For supervised younger children.
Description=For unsupervised older children.

??

On 05/06/19 03:51, SK53 wrote:
It might be germane to this discussion to consider minheight & maxheight as possible values. Certainly in ski resorts it is not uncommon to see minimum heights for certain chair lifts (typically 1.25m) and I think I've seen similar on amusement park rides. Height is more likely to be a determining factor, even if not explicitly signed.

Jerry

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 18:34, Philip Barnes <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 16:49 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote:
> > What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
> > toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is
> > that
> > the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than
> > nothing?
>
> Thanks Rory.
>
> I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it ok to
> enter text?
>
> Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?
>
> Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean
> the
> same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?
>
> For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of
> course there are also infant schools for toddlers.
>
The playgrounds around here have a specific age on the signs, can't
remember off the top of my head what it is, but it is a lot older than
toddlers. If it stops raining I will go and have a look at the local
one. It will be something between 8 and 12.

The other area has no age limits and it would be wrong for us to assume
one, each child is different and they will work out for themselves (or
with parental guidance) when they are ready. There will certainly be a
huge crossover.

Phil (trigpoint)




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