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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:doctors

Joseph Eisenberg
1) staff_count:doctors

Please clarify how this tag is to be used and how mappers can
determine the information.

Should it be the total number of physician's names listed on a sign at
a clinic, or the average number of doctors in the clinic on a
particular day? At large hospitals how should this information be
checked and updated?

For example, would it include only staff physicians, all physicians
with admitting privileges, or all physicians that can come as
consultants? What about medical doctors who serve in purely
administrative roles?

Are NPs and PAs included (i.e. mid-level providers)?

While it may be reasonable to count the number of physician names
listed on a sign at the entrance to a clinic or specialty office, it
might not be possible to confirm the number of physicians employed by
a large medical center. See Verifiability -
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability - approved tags
should be things that an ordinary mapper can confirm to be true or
false.

- Joseph Eisenberg, M.D.

On 6/20/19, Mhairi O'Hara <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello Tagging Mailing List,
>
> We would like to bring your attention and comments on the proposal for the
> staff_count:doctors and staff_count:nurses tags, which helps identify the
> number of doctors and nurses at a given health facility [1][2]. The
> operational_status tag, which has been proposed before and I would like to
> highlight again, as this is used to document an observation of the current
> functional status of a mapped feature (i.e. health facility) [3]. The
> health_amenity:type tag is also being proposed, as this indicates what type
> of speciality medical equipment is available at the health facility [4] and
> the final tag is insurance:health which describes the type of health
> insurance accepted at a health facility [5].
>
> Some of these are already in use but have never been formally accepted, or
> properly described as to how they should be applied, which we would like to
> try and achieve if possible for the Healthsites.io project. Please take a
> look at the proposal pages on the OSM Wiki, as well as the Global
> Healthsites Mapping Project page [2] which is at the core of the recent
> work focused on creating a health facility data model. We look forward to
> discussing these proposals on the respective Wiki discussion pages.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mhairi
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:doctors
> [2]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:nurses
> [3]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:operational_status
> [4]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:health_amenity:type
> [5]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:insurance:health
> [6]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Global_Healthsites_Mapping_Project#Tag_Proposal
>
>
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> Project Manager
> [hidden email]
> @mataharimhairi
>
>
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Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:doctors

Mark Herringer
Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your feedback.

We understand there to be three approaches we can take here:

1 - Generalised numbers: In this approach we would specify and approximate range for the doctor staff count e.g. 0-5, 5-10 etc.
2 - Aggregated numbers: In this approach we would specify an exact (e.g. 12) count of the doctors who work at the facility, without providing any breakdown as to their speciality.
3 - Specific numbers: In this approach we would specify exact numbers per discipline e.g. 2 paediatric doctors, 4 general physicians etc.

Whilst 3 would probably be the idea we need to approach this in terms of how likely we are going to be able to collect the data with reasonable effort and potentially limited access.

In our approach we would like to work together with health ministries and staff from organisations in the health cluster such as WHO or MSF which would grant us more organisational access than a casual OSM user might typically have. There are also issues with data maintenance that we should consider - how do we ensure the information provided is current and correct (this is also raised in the nurses section below). Thus we have some dynamic tension between the desire to be completely accurate and current, whilst still keeping our mapping goals attainable and practical.

Our proposed strategy to deal with this dilemma is to take an incremental approach: establish a simple, workable, model to start with and start populating it to keep momentum. Concurrently we will work on improving the data model based on feedback from the people who would like to use the data and the feedback of those collecting the data.

So may we propose that 2) above (aggregated numbers) would provide an attainable and useful initial start and work with that whilst concurrently engaging in discussions on how a richer, more useful data model might look that we could adopt in the future?

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 08:10, Joseph Eisenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
1) staff_count:doctors

Please clarify how this tag is to be used and how mappers can
determine the information.

Should it be the total number of physician's names listed on a sign at
a clinic, or the average number of doctors in the clinic on a
particular day? At large hospitals how should this information be
checked and updated?

For example, would it include only staff physicians, all physicians
with admitting privileges, or all physicians that can come as
consultants? What about medical doctors who serve in purely
administrative roles?

Are NPs and PAs included (i.e. mid-level providers)?

While it may be reasonable to count the number of physician names
listed on a sign at the entrance to a clinic or specialty office, it
might not be possible to confirm the number of physicians employed by
a large medical center. See Verifiability -
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability - approved tags
should be things that an ordinary mapper can confirm to be true or
false.

- Joseph Eisenberg, M.D.

On 6/20/19, Mhairi O'Hara <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello Tagging Mailing List,
>
> We would like to bring your attention and comments on the proposal for the
> staff_count:doctors and staff_count:nurses tags, which helps identify the
> number of doctors and nurses at a given health facility [1][2]. The
> operational_status tag, which has been proposed before and I would like to
> highlight again, as this is used to document an observation of the current
> functional status of a mapped feature (i.e. health facility) [3]. The
> health_amenity:type tag is also being proposed, as this indicates what type
> of speciality medical equipment is available at the health facility [4] and
> the final tag is insurance:health which describes the type of health
> insurance accepted at a health facility [5].
>
> Some of these are already in use but have never been formally accepted, or
> properly described as to how they should be applied, which we would like to
> try and achieve if possible for the Healthsites.io project. Please take a
> look at the proposal pages on the OSM Wiki, as well as the Global
> Healthsites Mapping Project page [2] which is at the core of the recent
> work focused on creating a health facility data model. We look forward to
> discussing these proposals on the respective Wiki discussion pages.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mhairi
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:doctors
> [2]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:nurses
> [3]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:operational_status
> [4]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:health_amenity:type
> [5]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:insurance:health
> [6]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Global_Healthsites_Mapping_Project#Tag_Proposal
>
>
> --
> *Mhairi O'Hara*
> Project Manager
> [hidden email]
> @mataharimhairi
>
>
> *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
> *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response & Economic Development*
> web <http://hotosm.org/>
>  |      twitter <https://twitter.com/hotosm>
>  |      facebook <https://www.facebook.com/hotosm>
>  |      donate <http://hotosm.org/donate>
>


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