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Ok doki now were getting some where, just as the ford way point is assigned to a node and the image shows the state of the crossing would it be feasible to use the information tag to provide the info and photo at the top or bottom of Calcup Hill or before entering the Yeagarup sand dunes for example.

 If so then generally as you enter most coastal track systems there is an area where you let the tires down etc the core information values of the track system could be described there in a local dialog. For example, some black sand is coarse and holds very little moisture. It behaves like sugar at the other end of the scale there is fine white sand that compacts nicely with some moisture The information is relevant to the tyre pressures.

Next question, can the Information tag be assigned to a individual node if so then would that create a relationship with the node and track?

Keith


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 I am the author of bushtrax.com and added those links to OSM. I also have
added quite a few 4wd tracks from the gpx files on the same site. As I have
found out another person has added one of those files under their name. I
just filled in all the relevant info.

<rant>
Regarding the accuracy of the photos trust me you will have to drive to
that point and have a look yourself, I have been photographing the coast
using moving map software and a gps for nearly 17 years.

The viewpoint aspect is just that, I am standing on the Barron Lookout and
this is the view. I don't see the point of putting the viewpoint icon on
the road out the front of the Bremer Bay Caravan Park.

The tracks over time are realigned due to shifting dunes storms washing
them away or the managers of the land have deemed the track unsuitable and
altered the route. It also maps the rehabilitation that is carried out by
volunteers and the land managers staff. Some of the earliest efforts go
back as far as 1991, They are still there and in use today.
</rant>

I have found plenty of these photos on other forums etc over the years but
they just used to link to the photo and left the photo on the server. No
problems from me. As in the case of of a Fairfax journalist who pinched one
early this year, he made himself look like fool.

Keith

Keith
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Hi Keith

Thanks for your map contributions and for joining this discussion.
This discussion was about establishing general principles for the use
of the viewpoint and image tags rather than any criticism of your
specific edits.
No disrespect was intended to you or your website.

You say "Regarding the accuracy of the photos trust me you will have
to drive to that point and have a look yourself"
There is no dispute about the accuracy or value of the photos, rather
questions of whether to link to them in OSM and what object the link
should be attached to.

Take two examples:
Node: River crossing (5536892190)
The photo contains valuable information on track conditions but it is
not taken from a viewpoint "A place where tourists, visitors, hikers
might like to visit and take photographs. A place, often high, with a
good view of surrounding countryside or notable buildings. Sometimes
called a vista point or scenic area/point, lookout or overlook"
The photo would have been better linked from the ford Node: 5536892207
rather than creating a viewpoint.

Node: SE (5536892237)
Again this photo conveys valuable information about track conditions
on the descent to the beach but is not taken from what can be
described as a viewpoint. If anything, I think the photo should be
linked to that section of track.

Tony

>  I am the author of bushtrax.com and added those links to OSM. I also have
> added quite a few 4wd tracks from the gpx files on the same site. As I have
> found out another person has added one of those files under their name. I
> just filled in all the relevant info.
>
> <rant>
> Regarding the accuracy of the photos trust me you will have to drive to
> that point and have a look yourself, I have been photographing the coast
> using moving map software and a gps for nearly 17 years.
>
> The viewpoint aspect is just that, I am standing on the Barron Lookout and
> this is the view. I don't see the point of putting the viewpoint icon on
> the road out the front of the Bremer Bay Caravan Park.
>
> The tracks over time are realigned due to shifting dunes storms washing
> them away or the managers of the land have deemed the track unsuitable and
> altered the route. It also maps the rehabilitation that is carried out by
> volunteers and the land managers staff. Some of the earliest efforts go
> back as far as 1991, They are still there and in use today.
> </rant>
>
> I have found plenty of these photos on other forums etc over the years but
> they just used to link to the photo and left the photo on the server. No
> problems from me. As in the case of of a Fairfax journalist who pinched one
> early this year, he made himself look like fool.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith
>







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It's best try to encode this using machine readable tags as much as possible assuming the information is factual and verifiable.

For anything you can't there exists the description tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:description

"The description=* tag can be used to provide additional information about the related element to the end map user, possibly using a pop-up or similar."

You can add this to any object in OSM including a node on a way.

On 9 April 2018 at 22:11, K C <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ok doki now were getting some where, just as the ford way point is assigned to a node and the image shows the state of the crossing would it be feasible to use the information tag to provide the info and photo at the top or bottom of Calcup Hill or before entering the Yeagarup sand dunes for example.

 If so then generally as you enter most coastal track systems there is an area where you let the tires down etc the core information values of the track system could be described there in a local dialog. For example, some black sand is coarse and holds very little moisture. It behaves like sugar at the other end of the scale there is fine white sand that compacts nicely with some moisture The information is relevant to the tyre pressures.

Next question, can the Information tag be assigned to a individual node if so then would that create a relationship with the node and track?

Keith


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Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 22:54:57 +0800
From: K C <[hidden email]>
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Subject: [talk-au] bushtrax.com images
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 I am the author of bushtrax.com and added those links to OSM. I also have
added quite a few 4wd tracks from the gpx files on the same site. As I have
found out another person has added one of those files under their name. I
just filled in all the relevant info.

<rant>
Regarding the accuracy of the photos trust me you will have to drive to
that point and have a look yourself, I have been photographing the coast
using moving map software and a gps for nearly 17 years.

The viewpoint aspect is just that, I am standing on the Barron Lookout and
this is the view. I don't see the point of putting the viewpoint icon on
the road out the front of the Bremer Bay Caravan Park.

The tracks over time are realigned due to shifting dunes storms washing
them away or the managers of the land have deemed the track unsuitable and
altered the route. It also maps the rehabilitation that is carried out by
volunteers and the land managers staff. Some of the earliest efforts go
back as far as 1991, They are still there and in use today.
</rant>

I have found plenty of these photos on other forums etc over the years but
they just used to link to the photo and left the photo on the server. No
problems from me. As in the case of of a Fairfax journalist who pinched one
early this year, he made himself look like fool.

Keith

Keith
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Hi Keith

Thanks for your map contributions and for joining this discussion.
This discussion was about establishing general principles for the use
of the viewpoint and image tags rather than any criticism of your
specific edits.
No disrespect was intended to you or your website.

You say "Regarding the accuracy of the photos trust me you will have
to drive to that point and have a look yourself"
There is no dispute about the accuracy or value of the photos, rather
questions of whether to link to them in OSM and what object the link
should be attached to.

Take two examples:
Node: River crossing (5536892190)
The photo contains valuable information on track conditions but it is
not taken from a viewpoint "A place where tourists, visitors, hikers
might like to visit and take photographs. A place, often high, with a
good view of surrounding countryside or notable buildings. Sometimes
called a vista point or scenic area/point, lookout or overlook"
The photo would have been better linked from the ford Node: 5536892207
rather than creating a viewpoint.

Node: SE (5536892237)
Again this photo conveys valuable information about track conditions
on the descent to the beach but is not taken from what can be
described as a viewpoint. If anything, I think the photo should be
linked to that section of track.

Tony

>  I am the author of bushtrax.com and added those links to OSM. I also have
> added quite a few 4wd tracks from the gpx files on the same site. As I have
> found out another person has added one of those files under their name. I
> just filled in all the relevant info.
>
> <rant>
> Regarding the accuracy of the photos trust me you will have to drive to
> that point and have a look yourself, I have been photographing the coast
> using moving map software and a gps for nearly 17 years.
>
> The viewpoint aspect is just that, I am standing on the Barron Lookout and
> this is the view. I don't see the point of putting the viewpoint icon on
> the road out the front of the Bremer Bay Caravan Park.
>
> The tracks over time are realigned due to shifting dunes storms washing
> them away or the managers of the land have deemed the track unsuitable and
> altered the route. It also maps the rehabilitation that is carried out by
> volunteers and the land managers staff. Some of the earliest efforts go
> back as far as 1991, They are still there and in use today.
> </rant>
>
> I have found plenty of these photos on other forums etc over the years but
> they just used to link to the photo and left the photo on the server. No
> problems from me. As in the case of of a Fairfax journalist who pinched one
> early this year, he made himself look like fool.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith
>







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