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Re: [geo-coord] minifesto, round N

stevec-4
* @ 24/07/05 07:27:29 PM [hidden email] wrote:

> I am feeling reasonably happy about the state of the open geodata
> minifesto, but don't have enough distance from it.
> http://okfn.org/geo/minifesto.html
>
> In the end i removed the OS "100 bn of business" claim, as i was
> finding that hard to square narratively with the thrust "this data
> should be available free of cost for *noncommercial* use".
>
> Re the signup system, i'm wondering if a standalone CGI would do or
> whether it would be important to have an "N people have signed" little
> bit of php in this document itself. Probably is, innit, and to have
> the signup form on the page itself? See how that looks. (Rufus, what's
> the best thing to do for a data store on the okfn machine?)

I was thinking 'surely you can turn this in to a pledgebank pledge' and
then thought, 'why not just do it'. So I did:

http://www.pledgebank.com/geodata

"I will sign the manifesto for Open Access to State-Collected Geospatial
Data when complete and give £10 toward helping projects creating open
geospatial data but only if 50 other people will too."

Please sign up.

> Feedback really apprec at this point, as i will feel reluctant to
> change the document once people actually start signing up to it. I
> felt it needed an intro paragraph, and enhancements to its
> 'punchiness' would be happily received.
>
>
> -jo
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have fun,

SteveC [hidden email] http://www.fractalus.com/steve/

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Re: [geo-coord] minifesto, round N

Jo Walsh
On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 09:55:02PM +0100, SteveC wrote:
> > the signup form on the page itself? See how that looks. (Rufus, what's
> > the best thing to do for a data store on the okfn machine?)
>
> I was thinking 'surely you can turn this in to a pledgebank pledge' and
> then thought, 'why not just do it'. So I did:
> http://www.pledgebank.com/geodata

this is fun, thankyou, and i hope it will work, and that the pledgebank
constituency is not suffering overload ;). i definitely want to
collect more metadata about participants - in particular i would love
to have at least one signup from every EU member country - and get
organisation URLs too, perhaps even short stories, somewhat like
http://protectinnovation.ffii.org.uk/ worked.

this seems like a good way to get initial feedback on the doc before
freezing it into something that people can sign onto in the assurance
that it won't change...

thx


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Re: [geo-coord] minifesto, round N

Petter Reinholdtsen
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[Steve Coast]
> I was thinking 'surely you can turn this in to a pledgebank pledge'
> and then thought, 'why not just do it'. So I did:
>
> http://www.pledgebank.com/geodata

Nice. :)

> "I will sign the manifesto for Open Access to State-Collected
> Geospatial Data when complete and give ?10 toward helping projects
> creating open geospatial data but only if 50 other people will too."

Why does the manifesto limit the access to non-commercial use?  I
believe it would be good for the society if the map data was available
for free for everyone to use freely, and not only non-commercial use.
A lot of interesting services might never see the light of day if the
data isn't available for commercial use too.


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Re: Re: [geo-coord] minifesto, round N

Jo Walsh
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 11:49:02PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> > "I will sign the manifesto for Open Access to State-Collected
> > Geospatial Data when complete and give £10 toward helping projects
> > creating open geospatial data but only if 50 other people will too."
>
> Why does the manifesto limit the access to non-commercial use?  

I have tried, i hope, not to state or mandate that, but only to
suggest and mention:

[[
Online mapping projects creating freely reusable geodata should offer
a compatible open license.

The OpenStreetmap project offers its growing body of data under an
Attribution-Sharealike license, which allows any kind of re-use of the
data providing that derived works are also released into the public
domain.
]]

> I believe it would be good for the society if the map data was available
> for free for everyone to use freely, and not only non-commercial use.
> A lot of interesting services might never see the light of day if the
> data isn't available for commercial use too.

Well, there is nothing in Attribution-Sharealike that precludes
commercial use. Alternative licensing schemes could be harsher. I
understand that not everyone is prepared to *potentially* give up the
right to commercialise distribution. People in the current climate are
in an IP standoff as regards data they 'own' or have collected, and have
to treat it as restricted in valuable because everyone else would.

I don't know what to suggest, other than that the ongoing license
conversation seems to be healthy and that i only want to be able to
offer models to recommend, rather than prescriptions, in the
minifesto...

i notice that our pledgebank pledge, http://www.pledgebank.com/geodata
, is not really setting the world alight in the way that, say
http://www.pledgebank.com/rights seems to be. Publicity means a lot i
suppose, blog-mileage, but i'd be reluctant to try to do that until
people stop asking questions like this and we reach a plausible
resolution. cheers, Petter

 
-jo
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