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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 34, Issue 27

Robert K. Tompsett N8JUQ
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Mobile antenna? (Xan)
   2. Re: Mobile antenna? (James Ewen)
   3. Re: Mobile antenna? (Someoneelse)
   4. Re: Mobile antenna? (Dave F.)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:33:59 +0100
From: Xan [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Mobile antenna?
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En/na James Ewen ha escrit:
  
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Xan [hidden email] wrote:

  
    
Is there any way for tagging a mobile/cellular antenna?
    
      
I hope you're not talking about a mobile antenna, as in one that is
able to be moved... that's a never ending job to map, especially when
it is in motion. I have a portable repeater/tower which is mounted on
a trailer, but I wouldn't think about mapping its location... that
would be about as useful as mapping the location of the vehicles on
the road.

James
VE6SRV

  
    
No. I mean cellular antenna. In Spain a cellular phone is a mobile phone ;-)

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:56:11 -0700
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Xan [hidden email] wrote:


  
No. I mean cellular antenna. In Spain a cellular phone is a mobile phone ;-)
    

Same here in North America... however a cellular tower is not usually
mobile, unless a tornado blows through and uproots it.

There are however many COWs (Cellular On Wheels) around that cellular
companies use as temporary replacement cellular site antennas when
repairs or replacement of towers takes place.

Mapping of permanent communications infrastructure is taking place,
and not only for cellular radio, but all other types of radio
communication structures. Mapping the mobile infrastructure would be
an exercise if futility!

I guess I'm going down that slippery slope... I may not be an
underground tunnel expert, but I play with radio antenna support
structures for a living! 8)

James
VE6SRV



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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:36 +0000
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Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Mobile antenna?
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James Ewen wrote:
  
There are however many COWs (Cellular On Wheels) around that cellular
companies use as temporary replacement cellular site antennas when
repairs or replacement of towers takes place.
    

There's a similar concept in the UK:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.05098&lon=-0.79424&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF

(or perhaps not)



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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 03:22:22 +0000
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Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Mobile antenna?
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Someoneelse wrote:
  
James Ewen wrote:
  
    
There are however many COWs (Cellular On Wheels) around that cellular
companies use as temporary replacement cellular site antennas when
repairs or replacement of towers takes place.
    
      
There's a similar concept in the UK:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.05098&lon=-0.79424&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF

(or perhaps not)
    

I think you're getting confused.

Those are /moo/biles.

...I'll get my coat.

Dave F.



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I'd have no problem with a 10' tower section standing in the bed of my pickup truck so long as I can clear the minim road spans of 13 feet.

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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 34, Issue 27

Richard Weait
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Robert K. Tompsett N8JUQ
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> I'd have no problem with a 10' tower section standing in the bed of my
> pickup truck so long as I can clear the minim road spans of 13 feet.

Hi Rob,

Just a couple of things regarding your post.

When using the daily digests and replying to the list, please trim the
digest to only the portion to which you wish to reply.

As far as adding a 10' tower to your vehicle, good stuff.  As an
amateur operator, you'll have a lot of experience with and interest in
antennas from which we can learn.  Mobile antennas and your vehicle
itself would both be considered "too temporary" to put on the map in
OSM.  If you wish to use OSM with mobile antennas please consider one
of the overlay strategies so that you can keep your mobile antenna
data in a separate database.

> Rob N8JUQ
> ICBM Address: 42*14'03"N, 85*53'30"W
> Grid Location: EN72bf;  Elev.720'msl
>
> "If their Muslim, don't trust'em."

Oh, and one last thing, Rob, OSM is an international community.  The
discriminatory tag line in your .sig file is hate speech[1] in my
eyes.  Hate speech is unwelcome on this list.  Your tag line also
mis-uses "their" when you certainly intended to use "they're".

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 34, Issue 27

Xan-3

>> Rob N8JUQ
>> ICBM Address: 42*14'03"N, 85*53'30"W
>> Grid Location: EN72bf;  Elev.720'msl
>>
>> "If their Muslim, don't trust'em."
>>    
>
> Oh, and one last thing, Rob, OSM is an international community.  The
> discriminatory tag line in your .sig file is hate speech[1] in my
> eyes.  Hate speech is unwelcome on this list.  Your tag line also
> mis-uses "their" when you certainly intended to use "they're".
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
>
> ________
I agree with Richard.

Xan.

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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 34, Issue 27

Al Haraka
All,

I have to agree.  As someone who has many Muslim friends and lived in the Arab world, I was kind of pissed.

I expect more from people involved in public/open-source projects.  If you are willing to work hard with people you have never met to further the public interest, I did not think you would discriminate against any of the public's access to geodata on the basis of religion.

I could go on colorful rant on the contribution of Arabo-Muslim history to scientific endeavor, especially navigation, but I get the feeling such signatures are motivated by supreme belief in your own knowledge at the expense of others.

Best,
_AJS

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Xan <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> Rob N8JUQ
>> ICBM Address: 42*14'03"N, 85*53'30"W
>> Grid Location: EN72bf;  Elev.720'msl
>>
>> "If their Muslim, don't trust'em."
>>
>
> Oh, and one last thing, Rob, OSM is an international community.  The
> discriminatory tag line in your .sig file is hate speech[1] in my
> eyes.  Hate speech is unwelcome on this list.  Your tag line also
> mis-uses "their" when you certainly intended to use "they're".
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
>
> ________
I agree with Richard.

Xan.

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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 34, Issue 27

Dave F.


Didn't the admittance that he drove a pickup give you a clue? :-)  

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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 34, Issue 27

James Ewen
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Dave F. <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Didn't the admittance that he drove a pickup give you a clue? :-)

Any generalization based on preconceived notions puts you in the same company...

I could make some comment about "What could you expect from a
loud-mouthed American", but that would lower me to the same level, and
I'm certainly above that. 8)

Our American friends fiercely defend their First Amendment Clause, the
right to free speech, even if what they have to say is rude,
obnoxious, boorish, prejudicial, or outright offensive.  It is a
fundamental freedom that they hold dear, and rightfully so.

However, one would hope that through education, and exposure to other
cultures and peoples, that we as humanity would learn tolerance and
acceptance. Hopefully the worldwide communication medium that the
internet provides us will help us all learn that tolerance and
acceptance.

It is difficult to be mad at a vague concept or unknown group, and
with the American people under attack, it is much easier to pick an
identifiable group as a target. Unfortunately the Muslim community got
picked as the scapegoat. It is difficult to pick a fight when  you
can't easily identify your opponent.

Perhaps this may prompt Robert to change his perception of the Muslim
community, and refocus his energies in a more positive manner.

Maybe a New Year's Resolution for all of us can be found here... I
resolve to be more tolerant of other people's race, religion, sexual
persuasion, or any other trait they may have, and learn to accept
others for who they are as I would wish that they do for me.

James
VE6SRV

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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 34, Issue 27

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I love holding hands and singing Kum ba yah as much as the next guy
but can we please try to keep the newbies list on-topic for the
benefit of inexperienced people who are trying to learn about
OpenStreetMap, thanks.

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