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Fred Felter
Thanks Ian and Andrew. 2 good response to get me started.
I have responded to Ian via private OSM email.
Andrew:
   The strange appearance is due to its width. The portion I added connects a short bridge to the east and a short section to the west that already existed. The existing trails that I connected to are lines of dashes but my addition is is far more than that. Ian says my addition has a bridge tag so I need to review that. I did not add a bridge tag.
   Is "highway=footway the correct designation for a bike/walking path? Seems strange it would not read just "way" instead of "highway". Does that yield a line of dashes which I think is what I want?
   Will I need to use JOSM to fix my addition? It seems quite Imposing for me as a novice.
Fred


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   3. Re: help editing a trail contribution (Andrew Errington)
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:31:26 -0800
From: Fred Felter <[hidden email]>
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Subject: [OSM-newbies] help editing a trail contribution
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My first post here.
I recently contributed a GPS trace to complete a foot/bike path near where
I live. The result in OSM has a strange appearance and I cannot figure out
how to fix it. Since this is new to me I could really use some personal
tutoring to get me through this problem. Is this an appropriate forum for
that? And if not, where?

My trace is http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/frefel/traces/1614067. I
wanted my entire trace to be used but only a section was. What I added
looks more like a road than a foo/bike trail and I don't see why?

Thanks for any help.
Fred
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:48:28 +0800
From: ianmac nz <[hidden email]>
To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] help editing a trail contribution
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Hi

You have used the tag bridge=yes for the entire length of the track to the
west of the creek crossing.

The rendering for bridges looks similar to some roads.

Try removing that tag for the west section of the trail.

You also need to join the west section of track to the bridge.

Hope that helps

PS - (tried to send an embedded image but that's not working)

Ian


On 20 December 2013 11:31, Fred Felter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My first post here.
> I recently contributed a GPS trace to complete a foot/bike path near where
> I live. The result in OSM has a strange appearance and I cannot figure out
> how to fix it. Since this is new to me I could really use some personal
> tutoring to get me through this problem. Is this an appropriate forum for
> that? And if not, where?
>
> My trace is http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/frefel/traces/1614067. I
> wanted my entire trace to be used but only a section was. What I added
> looks more like a road than a foo/bike trail and I don't see why?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Fred
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:05:57 +0900
From: Andrew Errington <[hidden email]>
To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] help editing a trail contribution
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Apologies if I underestimate what you know, but a gps trace will not
show up on the map.  We use the gps trace as a guideline to draw roads
and trails on the map itself.  It looks like you have done this and
drawn a way on top of the trace, and it's tagged highway=footway

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/249319492

What is strange about its appearance?  It looks ok.

The only thing you can (and should) do is make sure the way is tagged
properly.  If you think it is, then you're done.  The way the way (!)
is drawn is dependent on the rules for the specific renderer that you
are looking at.  If you select a different map layer from the menu on
the right you will see your path drawn in a different style (and
sometimes not at all).  It's up to the renderer to decide what to
render and how to render it.

What you *must not do* is alter the tags to make something look the
way you want it to on the map.  For example, maybe you'd like a road
to be drawn blue (because you like blue), so you could tag it as a
river.  It would look blue, but it would be wrongly tagged.  It's an
extreme example, but illustrates the point.

What do you think needs to be fixed?  If you want the entire trace to
be used then you must draw a way along the entire length.  It's
possible that somebody else already did some parts of it, so you could
re-align the existing ways to your trace, or you could leave them as
they are.  Don't forget that the gps trace may be offset by several
metres in any direction, so it might not be in exactly the right
place.

Best wishes,

Andrew

On 20 December 2013 12:31, Fred Felter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> My first post here.
> I recently contributed a GPS trace to complete a foot/bike path near where I
> live. The result in OSM has a strange appearance and I cannot figure out how
> to fix it. Since this is new to me I could really use some personal tutoring
> to get me through this problem. Is this an appropriate forum for that? And
> if not, where?
>
> My trace is http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/frefel/traces/1614067. I
> wanted my entire trace to be used but only a section was. What I added looks
> more like a road than a foo/bike trail and I don't see why?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Fred
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> newbies mailing list
> [hidden email]
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:07:10 +0900
From: Andrew Errington <[hidden email]>
To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] help editing a trail contribution
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Ah!  Missed the bridge=yes tag!  Other than that it looks fine.

On 20 December 2013 13:05, Andrew Errington <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Apologies if I underestimate what you know, but a gps trace will not
> show up on the map.  We use the gps trace as a guideline to draw roads
> and trails on the map itself.  It looks like you have done this and
> drawn a way on top of the trace, and it's tagged highway=footway
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/249319492
>
> What is strange about its appearance?  It looks ok.
>
> The only thing you can (and should) do is make sure the way is tagged
> properly.  If you think it is, then you're done.  The way the way (!)
> is drawn is dependent on the rules for the specific renderer that you
> are looking at.  If you select a different map layer from the menu on
> the right you will see your path drawn in a different style (and
> sometimes not at all).  It's up to the renderer to decide what to
> render and how to render it.
>
> What you *must not do* is alter the tags to make something look the
> way you want it to on the map.  For example, maybe you'd like a road
> to be drawn blue (because you like blue), so you could tag it as a
> river.  It would look blue, but it would be wrongly tagged.  It's an
> extreme example, but illustrates the point.
>
> What do you think needs to be fixed?  If you want the entire trace to
> be used then you must draw a way along the entire length.  It's
> possible that somebody else already did some parts of it, so you could
> re-align the existing ways to your trace, or you could leave them as
> they are.  Don't forget that the gps trace may be offset by several
> metres in any direction, so it might not be in exactly the right
> place.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Andrew
>
> On 20 December 2013 12:31, Fred Felter <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> My first post here.
>> I recently contributed a GPS trace to complete a foot/bike path near where I
>> live. The result in OSM has a strange appearance and I cannot figure out how
>> to fix it. Since this is new to me I could really use some personal tutoring
>> to get me through this problem. Is this an appropriate forum for that? And
>> if not, where?
>>
>> My trace is http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/frefel/traces/1614067. I
>> wanted my entire trace to be used but only a section was. What I added looks
>> more like a road than a foo/bike trail and I don't see why?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Fred
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> newbies mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies
>>



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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4

Fred Felter
I am back after a rather lengthy spell of other distractions.

Here is my present problem:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/44.03350/-123.01851

I have a parking lot delineated from some waypoints I took. The rectangular shape of the parking lot is visible in Potlach 2 with the parking symbol in the center and clicking on the edge reveals my WPs but on the OSM map itself one sees only the "P" symbol, not the yellow shaded areas that designate parking lots, like ones nearby.
What do I need to do to make the parking lot stand out?
Thanks for any help.
Fred


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Fred Felter <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks Ian and Andrew. 2 good response to get me started.
I have responded to Ian via private OSM email.
Andrew:
   The strange appearance is due to its width. The portion I added connects a short bridge to the east and a short section to the west that already existed. The existing trails that I connected to are lines of dashes but my addition is is far more than that. Ian says my addition has a bridge tag so I need to review that. I did not add a bridge tag.
   Is "highway=footway the correct designation for a bike/walking path? Seems strange it would not read just "way" instead of "highway". Does that yield a line of dashes which I think is what I want?
   Will I need to use JOSM to fix my addition? It seems quite Imposing for me as a novice.
Fred


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Today's Topics:

   1. help editing a trail contribution (Fred Felter)
   2. Re: help editing a trail contribution (ianmac nz)
   3. Re: help editing a trail contribution (Andrew Errington)
   4. Re: help editing a trail contribution (Andrew Errington)


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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:31:26 -0800
From: Fred Felter <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [OSM-newbies] help editing a trail contribution
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My first post here.
I recently contributed a GPS trace to complete a foot/bike path near where
I live. The result in OSM has a strange appearance and I cannot figure out
how to fix it. Since this is new to me I could really use some personal
tutoring to get me through this problem. Is this an appropriate forum for
that? And if not, where?

My trace is http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/frefel/traces/1614067. I
wanted my entire trace to be used but only a section was. What I added
looks more like a road than a foo/bike trail and I don't see why?

Thanks for any help.
Fred
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:48:28 +0800
From: ianmac nz <[hidden email]>
To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] help editing a trail contribution
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Hi

You have used the tag bridge=yes for the entire length of the track to the
west of the creek crossing.

The rendering for bridges looks similar to some roads.

Try removing that tag for the west section of the trail.

You also need to join the west section of track to the bridge.

Hope that helps

PS - (tried to send an embedded image but that's not working)

Ian


On 20 December 2013 11:31, Fred Felter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My first post here.
> I recently contributed a GPS trace to complete a foot/bike path near where
> I live. The result in OSM has a strange appearance and I cannot figure out
> how to fix it. Since this is new to me I could really use some personal
> tutoring to get me through this problem. Is this an appropriate forum for
> that? And if not, where?
>
> My trace is http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/frefel/traces/1614067. I
> wanted my entire trace to be used but only a section was. What I added
> looks more like a road than a foo/bike trail and I don't see why?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Fred
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> newbies mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies
>
>


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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:05:57 +0900
From: Andrew Errington <[hidden email]>
To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] help editing a trail contribution
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Apologies if I underestimate what you know, but a gps trace will not
show up on the map.  We use the gps trace as a guideline to draw roads
and trails on the map itself.  It looks like you have done this and
drawn a way on top of the trace, and it's tagged highway=footway

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/249319492

What is strange about its appearance?  It looks ok.

The only thing you can (and should) do is make sure the way is tagged
properly.  If you think it is, then you're done.  The way the way (!)
is drawn is dependent on the rules for the specific renderer that you
are looking at.  If you select a different map layer from the menu on
the right you will see your path drawn in a different style (and
sometimes not at all).  It's up to the renderer to decide what to
render and how to render it.

What you *must not do* is alter the tags to make something look the
way you want it to on the map.  For example, maybe you'd like a road
to be drawn blue (because you like blue), so you could tag it as a
river.  It would look blue, but it would be wrongly tagged.  It's an
extreme example, but illustrates the point.

What do you think needs to be fixed?  If you want the entire trace to
be used then you must draw a way along the entire length.  It's
possible that somebody else already did some parts of it, so you could
re-align the existing ways to your trace, or you could leave them as
they are.  Don't forget that the gps trace may be offset by several
metres in any direction, so it might not be in exactly the right
place.

Best wishes,

Andrew

On 20 December 2013 12:31, Fred Felter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> My first post here.
> I recently contributed a GPS trace to complete a foot/bike path near where I
> live. The result in OSM has a strange appearance and I cannot figure out how
> to fix it. Since this is new to me I could really use some personal tutoring
> to get me through this problem. Is this an appropriate forum for that? And
> if not, where?
>
> My trace is http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/frefel/traces/1614067. I
> wanted my entire trace to be used but only a section was. What I added looks
> more like a road than a foo/bike trail and I don't see why?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Fred
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> newbies mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies
>



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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:07:10 +0900
From: Andrew Errington <[hidden email]>
To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] help editing a trail contribution
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        <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Ah!  Missed the bridge=yes tag!  Other than that it looks fine.

On 20 December 2013 13:05, Andrew Errington <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Apologies if I underestimate what you know, but a gps trace will not
> show up on the map.  We use the gps trace as a guideline to draw roads
> and trails on the map itself.  It looks like you have done this and
> drawn a way on top of the trace, and it's tagged highway=footway
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/249319492
>
> What is strange about its appearance?  It looks ok.
>
> The only thing you can (and should) do is make sure the way is tagged
> properly.  If you think it is, then you're done.  The way the way (!)
> is drawn is dependent on the rules for the specific renderer that you
> are looking at.  If you select a different map layer from the menu on
> the right you will see your path drawn in a different style (and
> sometimes not at all).  It's up to the renderer to decide what to
> render and how to render it.
>
> What you *must not do* is alter the tags to make something look the
> way you want it to on the map.  For example, maybe you'd like a road
> to be drawn blue (because you like blue), so you could tag it as a
> river.  It would look blue, but it would be wrongly tagged.  It's an
> extreme example, but illustrates the point.
>
> What do you think needs to be fixed?  If you want the entire trace to
> be used then you must draw a way along the entire length.  It's
> possible that somebody else already did some parts of it, so you could
> re-align the existing ways to your trace, or you could leave them as
> they are.  Don't forget that the gps trace may be offset by several
> metres in any direction, so it might not be in exactly the right
> place.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Andrew
>
> On 20 December 2013 12:31, Fred Felter <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> My first post here.
>> I recently contributed a GPS trace to complete a foot/bike path near where I
>> live. The result in OSM has a strange appearance and I cannot figure out how
>> to fix it. Since this is new to me I could really use some personal tutoring
>> to get me through this problem. Is this an appropriate forum for that? And
>> if not, where?
>>
>> My trace is http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/frefel/traces/1614067. I
>> wanted my entire trace to be used but only a section was. What I added looks
>> more like a road than a foo/bike trail and I don't see why?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Fred
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> newbies mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies
>>



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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4

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On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Fred Felter <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am back after a rather lengthy spell of other distractions.

Here is my present problem:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/44.03350/-123.01851

I have a parking lot delineated from some waypoints I took. The rectangular shape of the parking lot is visible in Potlach 2 with the parking symbol in the center and clicking on the edge reveals my WPs but on the OSM map itself one sees only the "P" symbol, not the yellow shaded areas that designate parking lots, like ones nearby.
What do I need to do to make the parking lot stand out?
Thanks for any help.
Fred

Fred,
You have to close the area by completing the way.  Right now, it doesn't define a closed area, it's open at the access road.

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