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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4

Bogus Zaba
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>     1. Mapping a cycle path across lock gates (john whelan)
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> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:12:49 -0400
> From: john whelan <[hidden email]>
> To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [OSM-newbies] Mapping a cycle path across lock gates
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> The local city has recommended cycle paths one of which crosses a canal via
> the tops of the lock gates.
>
> So steps up to the top of the lock gate, and a max width of .5 meters and
> the path varies according to which pair of the three pairs of lock gates
> happen to be closed.  The maximum width is important as it means tricycles
> are unable to use this route.
>
> Any suggestions on how it should be mapped?
>
> Thanks John
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> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 13:30:52 +0100
> From: Philip Barnes <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Mapping a cycle path across lock gates
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> On Sat, 2015-04-11 at 08:12 -0400, john whelan wrote:
>> The local city has recommended cycle paths one of which crosses a
>> canal via the tops of the lock gates.
>>
>>
>> So steps up to the top of the lock gate, and a max width of .5 meters
>> and the path varies according to which pair of the three pairs of lock
>> gates happen to be closed.  The maximum width is important as it means
>> tricycles are unable to use this route.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions on how it should be mapped?
>>
> That is madness, ask for a copy of the risk assessment.
>
> I have never come across a cyclepath doing this, but do know of a public
> footpath that crosses a lock gate. There is a second side barrier on
> that gate for safety reasons, but it a bit scary getting a dog over.
>
> I would map the section over the gates as a footway with
> bicycle=dismount. That way routers will be deterred from using it and
> find a more suitable route.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
>
>
>
>
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> End of newbies Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4
> **************************************

If you take a look at this URL:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/53.42176/-2.99341&layers=C

you will see a footpath crossing the canal by means of either of two
lockgates. I used to use these on a bike regularly. The lock gate bridge
in this case felt entirely safe and I saw many cyclists use the route.
The towpath should probably in fact have a bicycle=yes tag - if I recall
correctly there is signage for bikes here showing a route between Bootle
and Liverpool City Centre.

bogzab

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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4

Philip Barnes
On Tue Apr 14 11:10:51 2015 GMT+0100, Bogus Zaba wrote:

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> >     1. Mapping a cycle path across lock gates (john whelan)
> >     2. Re: Mapping a cycle path across lock gates (Philip Barnes)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:12:49 -0400
> > From: john whelan <[hidden email]>
> > To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: [OSM-newbies] Mapping a cycle path across lock gates
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> > The local city has recommended cycle paths one of which crosses a canal via
> > the tops of the lock gates.
> >
> > So steps up to the top of the lock gate, and a max width of .5 meters and
> > the path varies according to which pair of the three pairs of lock gates
> > happen to be closed.  The maximum width is important as it means tricycles
> > are unable to use this route.
> >
> > Any suggestions on how it should be mapped?
> >
> > Thanks John
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 13:30:52 +0100
> > From: Philip Barnes <[hidden email]>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Mapping a cycle path across lock gates
> > Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > On Sat, 2015-04-11 at 08:12 -0400, john whelan wrote:
> >> The local city has recommended cycle paths one of which crosses a
> >> canal via the tops of the lock gates.
> >>
> >>
> >> So steps up to the top of the lock gate, and a max width of .5 meters
> >> and the path varies according to which pair of the three pairs of lock
> >> gates happen to be closed.  The maximum width is important as it means
> >> tricycles are unable to use this route.
> >>
> >>
> >> Any suggestions on how it should be mapped?
> >>
> > That is madness, ask for a copy of the risk assessment.
> >
> > I have never come across a cyclepath doing this, but do know of a public
> > footpath that crosses a lock gate. There is a second side barrier on
> > that gate for safety reasons, but it a bit scary getting a dog over.
> >
> > I would map the section over the gates as a footway with
> > bicycle=dismount. That way routers will be deterred from using it and
> > find a more suitable route.
> >
> > Phil (trigpoint)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Subject: Digest Footer
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > newbies mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > End of newbies Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4
> > **************************************
>
> If you take a look at this URL:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/53.42176/-2.99341&layers=C
>
> you will see a footpath crossing the canal by means of either of two
> lockgates. I used to use these on a bike regularly. The lock gate bridge
> in this case felt entirely safe and I saw many cyclists use the route.
> The towpath should probably in fact have a bicycle=yes tag - if I recall
> correctly there is signage for bikes here showing a route between Bootle
> and Liverpool City Centre.
>
> bogzab
>
> --
> Dr Bogumil N Zaba
>
>
Where did the footbridge come from, there was no footbridge mentioned in this thread.

Phil (trigpoint )

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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4

John F. Eldredge
You are the first person in the thread to use the term footbridge, so the footbridge came from you.


On April 14, 2015 7:51:43 AM CDT, [hidden email] wrote:

> On Tue Apr 14 11:10:51 2015 GMT+0100, Bogus Zaba wrote:
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> > > Today's Topics:
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> > >     1. Mapping a cycle path across lock gates (john whelan)
> > >     2. Re: Mapping a cycle path across lock gates (Philip Barnes)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:12:49 -0400
> > > From: john whelan <[hidden email]>
> > > To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
> > > Subject: [OSM-newbies] Mapping a cycle path across lock gates
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> <CAJ-Ex1GpGq+=tQZ6iwPef=[hidden email]>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > The local city has recommended cycle paths one of which crosses a
> canal via
> > > the tops of the lock gates.
> > >
> > > So steps up to the top of the lock gate, and a max width of .5
> meters and
> > > the path varies according to which pair of the three pairs of lock
> gates
> > > happen to be closed.  The maximum width is important as it means
> tricycles
> > > are unable to use this route.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions on how it should be mapped?
> > >
> > > Thanks John
> > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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> <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/newbies/attachments/20150411/db97c31a/attachment-0001.html>
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 13:30:52 +0100
> > > From: Philip Barnes <[hidden email]>
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Mapping a cycle path across lock gates
> > > Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2015-04-11 at 08:12 -0400, john whelan wrote:
> > >> The local city has recommended cycle paths one of which crosses a
> > >> canal via the tops of the lock gates.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> So steps up to the top of the lock gate, and a max width of .5
> meters
> > >> and the path varies according to which pair of the three pairs of
> lock
> > >> gates happen to be closed.  The maximum width is important as it
> means
> > >> tricycles are unable to use this route.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Any suggestions on how it should be mapped?
> > >>
> > > That is madness, ask for a copy of the risk assessment.
> > >
> > > I have never come across a cyclepath doing this, but do know of a
> public
> > > footpath that crosses a lock gate. There is a second side barrier
> on
> > > that gate for safety reasons, but it a bit scary getting a dog
> over.
> > >
> > > I would map the section over the gates as a footway with
> > > bicycle=dismount. That way routers will be deterred from using it
> and
> > > find a more suitable route.
> > >
> > > Phil (trigpoint)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Subject: Digest Footer
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > newbies mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > End of newbies Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4
> > > **************************************
> >
> > If you take a look at this URL:
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/53.42176/-2.99341&layers=C
> >
> > you will see a footpath crossing the canal by means of either of two
>
> > lockgates. I used to use these on a bike regularly. The lock gate
> bridge
> > in this case felt entirely safe and I saw many cyclists use the
> route.
> > The towpath should probably in fact have a bicycle=yes tag - if I
> recall
> > correctly there is signage for bikes here showing a route between
> Bootle
> > and Liverpool City Centre.
> >
> > bogzab
> >
> > --
> > Dr Bogumil N Zaba
> >
> >
> Where did the footbridge come from, there was no footbridge mentioned
> in this thread.
>
> Phil (trigpoint )

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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4

Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-04-14 at 22:27 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> You are the first person in the thread to use the term footbridge, so the footbridge came from you.
>
>
True, they said 'Lock Gate Bridge' which i assume to mean a bridge that
is near the lock gates.

Phil (trigpoint)


> On April 14, 2015 7:51:43 AM CDT, [hidden email] wrote:
> > On Tue Apr 14 11:10:51 2015 GMT+0100, Bogus Zaba wrote:
> > > On 12/04/15 14:00, [hidden email] wrote:
> > > > Send newbies mailing list submissions to
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> > > > You can reach the person managing the list at
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> > > > than "Re: Contents of newbies digest..."
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> > > >
> > > > Today's Topics:
> > > >
> > > >     1. Mapping a cycle path across lock gates (john whelan)
> > > >     2. Re: Mapping a cycle path across lock gates (Philip Barnes)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:12:49 -0400
> > > > From: john whelan <[hidden email]>
> > > > To: Help for newbie mappers <[hidden email]>
> > > > Subject: [OSM-newbies] Mapping a cycle path across lock gates
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > >
> > <CAJ-Ex1GpGq+=tQZ6iwPef=[hidden email]>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > >
> > > > The local city has recommended cycle paths one of which crosses a
> > canal via
> > > > the tops of the lock gates.
> > > >
> > > > So steps up to the top of the lock gate, and a max width of .5
> > meters and
> > > > the path varies according to which pair of the three pairs of lock
> > gates
> > > > happen to be closed.  The maximum width is important as it means
> > tricycles
> > > > are unable to use this route.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions on how it should be mapped?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks John
> > > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> > > > URL:
> > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/newbies/attachments/20150411/db97c31a/attachment-0001.html>
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 2
> > > > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 13:30:52 +0100
> > > > From: Philip Barnes <[hidden email]>
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Mapping a cycle path across lock gates
> > > > Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 2015-04-11 at 08:12 -0400, john whelan wrote:
> > > >> The local city has recommended cycle paths one of which crosses a
> > > >> canal via the tops of the lock gates.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> So steps up to the top of the lock gate, and a max width of .5
> > meters
> > > >> and the path varies according to which pair of the three pairs of
> > lock
> > > >> gates happen to be closed.  The maximum width is important as it
> > means
> > > >> tricycles are unable to use this route.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Any suggestions on how it should be mapped?
> > > >>
> > > > That is madness, ask for a copy of the risk assessment.
> > > >
> > > > I have never come across a cyclepath doing this, but do know of a
> > public
> > > > footpath that crosses a lock gate. There is a second side barrier
> > on
> > > > that gate for safety reasons, but it a bit scary getting a dog
> > over.
> > > >
> > > > I would map the section over the gates as a footway with
> > > > bicycle=dismount. That way routers will be deterred from using it
> > and
> > > > find a more suitable route.
> > > >
> > > > Phil (trigpoint)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Digest Footer
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > newbies mailing list
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > End of newbies Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4
> > > > **************************************
> > >
> > > If you take a look at this URL:
> > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/53.42176/-2.99341&layers=C
> > >
> > > you will see a footpath crossing the canal by means of either of two
> >
> > > lockgates. I used to use these on a bike regularly. The lock gate
> > bridge
> > > in this case felt entirely safe and I saw many cyclists use the
> > route.
> > > The towpath should probably in fact have a bicycle=yes tag - if I
> > recall
> > > correctly there is signage for bikes here showing a route between
> > Bootle
> > > and Liverpool City Centre.
> > >
> > > bogzab
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr Bogumil N Zaba
> > >
> > >
> > Where did the footbridge come from, there was no footbridge mentioned
> > in this thread.
> >
> > Phil (trigpoint )
>



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Re: newbies Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4

John F. Eldredge
On 04/15/2015 07:03 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-04-14 at 22:27 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote:
>> You are the first person in the thread to use the term footbridge, so the footbridge came from you.
>>
>>
> True, they said 'Lock Gate Bridge' which i assume to mean a bridge that
> is near the lock gates.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>

I think they were talking about a walkway on top of the lock gate
valves, given the description that the path one would have to take would
depend upon which lock gates were open at the time.

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Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
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