Recycling Points
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I'm planning some work with Household Waste Recycling Centres and Recycling Points during the Code The City OSM hack weekend this Sat/Sun (which you are very welcome to join https://codethecity.org/what-we-do/hack-weekends/code-the-city-21-put-your-city-on-the-map/ in any capacity you like)
A Recycling Centre being the local 'tip', see https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/bins-and-recycling/find-your-nearest-recycling-centre A Recycling Point being a cluster of recycling containers in, say, at the end of your local supermarket car park. Often given a name by the Council, see https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/bins-and-recycling/recycling-points Am I missing something, or is there no concept of a Recycling Point in OSM? Have you seen/used anything else? - Jez _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb |
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Op do 26 nov. 2020 om 13:08 schreef Jez Nicholson <[hidden email]>:
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"amenity"="recycling" + "recycling:type"="centre" == Council Tip "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling:type"="container" == a single recycling box, so multiple would appear at a Recycling Point On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 1:22 PM Dan S <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi Jez, Try amenity=recycling Regards Nick Tallguy On Thu, 26 Nov 2020, 13:08 Jez Nicholson, <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi,
Here's a couple of local examples for reference and comment... On 26/11/2020 11:16, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > A Recycling Centre being the local 'tip', see > https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/bins-and-recycling/find-your-nearest-recycling-centre > <https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/bins-and-recycling/find-your-nearest-recycling-centre> Called a 'Household Waste Recovery Centre' in Northumberland (although we still 'go to the tip'!): https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/858629908 * amenity=recycling * recycling_type=centre > A Recycling Point being a cluster of recycling containers in, say, at > the end of your local supermarket car park. Often given a name by the > Council, see > https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/bins-and-recycling/recycling-points > <https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/bins-and-recycling/recycling-points> Local example for glass bottles (skip with holes, but as you say can be more specialised for clothes, shoes, etc.): https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6538028486 * amenity=recycling * recycling_type=container Happy Mapping, James -- James Derrick [hidden email], Cramlington, England I wouldn't be a volunteer if you paid me... https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/James%20Derrick _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb |
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On 26/11/2020 11:16, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> Am I missing something, or is there no concept of a Recycling Point in OSM? > Have you seen/used anything else? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type> -- Cheers, Jeremy _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb |
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I always mapped group of containers as one object. amenity=recycling recycling:type=container recycling:paper=yes recycling:metal=yes recycling:batteries=yes for location with three containers, one for paper, one for metal, one for batteries Easier to map, process, resurvey... Nov 26, 2020, 14:50 by [hidden email]:
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Okay, bear with. I know that this is detailed mapping, but I enquired a while ago on the amenity:recycling talk page and a single recycling container == a single node. A group of containers == a group of nodes. The area they are contained in is called "Golf Drive Recycling Point". There's a sign that says so. I've added a polygon https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/877940580 as "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="point" I can only really see containers or centres in https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/recycling_type#values but this place is neither. Are you offended by "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="point"? It seems like the UK term for it. On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 4:25 PM Jeremy Harris <[hidden email]> wrote: On 26/11/2020 11:16, Jez Nicholson wrote: _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb |
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Op do 26 nov. 2020 om 19:21 schreef Jez Nicholson <[hidden email]>:
Honestly, "point" seems dangerously prone to misunderstanding, when used as a value here in OSM. I know we tend to say "recycling point", but that doesn't mean that we say "point". "I'll just go to the point". I wish I could suggest a good alternative word, e.g. a word we already use for some other type of feature. What is the fundamental reason this is not a recycling_type=centre? Is it the size? (If so, no problem - use "centre" on a suitable polygon.) Is it the fact that it's unstaffed? (Could use self_service=only or supervised=no.) Is it that there's no perimeter boundary? Best Dan
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Agreed, "point" sucks as a value, I won't use it....my fundamental reason for it not being a 'centre' was size, but a Recycling Point _could_ be seen as a mini Recycling Centre that only accepts recyclable waste. You can see a perimeter boundary by the concrete area it is set on. I could go with a site relation but you can't physically carry out other activities between the constituent objects (unlike a wind farm). I will try with 'centre' and including '....Recycling Point' in the name. On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 08:58 Dan S, <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I must admit to being surprised that we dont have a distinct value: recycling points are much commoner throughout Europe than they are in the UK (probably because more people live in flats). Windsor & Maidenhead withdrew at least some of their points when recycling bins were introduced. In Nottingham single containers are relatively common (usually things like the red BHF ones, rather than council ones), and single containers with multiple ports exist on the University site, as do combined rubbish bins, recycling bins. In Spain and Switzerland something like a recycling point with multiple containers will be located within a short distance of most properties (e.g. this one I added which has at least 4 distinct containers). At least in the past in some Swiss communes, these were also co-located with a communal location for household rubbish (the one above doesn't appear to have that facility now). I presume Poland is similar, but Mateusz can confirm. It does appear that an additional tag value would be appropriate. Jerry On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 09:42, Jez Nicholson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Personally, I would map a small number of recycling containers as a single node, tagged with all the types accepted. From my experience, these containers often get moved around, at least here in Edinburgh, so their relative positions change depending on which was overflowing last or something. I am also not sure that it adds significant value knowing how many containers there are, so a single not should suffice. Cheers, Donald On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 13:36, SK53 <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 09:42, Jez Nicholson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Agreed, "point" sucks as a value, I won't use it....my fundamental reason for it not being a 'centre' was size, but a Recycling Point _could_ be seen as a mini Recycling Centre that only accepts recyclable waste. You can see a perimeter boundary by the concrete area it is set on. I could go with a site relation but you can't physically carry out other activities between the constituent objects (unlike a wind farm). How about recycling_type=container_site ? I guess the problem is that recycling_type=container is being used both for individual containers and for mini sites with a group of containers. An alternative approach would be to continue to use recycling_type=container for the site, and have a new tag for individual containers within such a site. (Then it would be a bit like mapping individual parking spaces within a car-park.) Robert. -- Robert Whittaker _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb |
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28 Nov 2020, 10:48 by [hidden email]:
Is it really a problem?
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Jez, I'm confused :)
Your first email recognised the
difference between a recycling centre (i.e. a council-run 'tip' /
'dump' that you can normally drive into) and a recycling point
(i.e. one with containers, found in supermarket car parks etc.).
So I'm really not sure why you would
tag the "Golf Drive Recycling Point" as recycling_type=centre when
it is clearly recycling_type=container? There's really only two
options in the OSM data, and photos on the wiki page also make it
clear which is which:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type
Examples in Aberdeen - centre: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/116883204
and container: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/464736817
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 at 12:35, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB
<[hidden email]> wrote: > 28 Nov 2020, 10:48 by [hidden email]: > > I guess the problem is that recycling_type=container is being used > both for individual containers and for mini sites with a group of > containers. > > Is it really a problem? It is if you want to be able to micro-map such a site and the individual containers within it. Robert. -- Robert Whittaker _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb |
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Hi Michael, The issue is that Golf Drive Recycling Point is not a [single] recycling container, it is a group of recycling containers. Talking to a waste expert today I'm told an industry term is "bring site" as anybody may bring their recycling here....as opposed to a Household Waste Recycling Centre where only local residents may. Regards, Jez On Sat, 28 Nov 2020, 13:10 Michael Booth, <[hidden email]> wrote:
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