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Donald Noble
I noticed recently that an Argos[1] counter has opened inside the large Sainsbury's supermarket at Murrayfield, but I am not sure how best to tag this.

I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in multiple ways, but I am not skilled enough with Overpass to check how many of each:
  • shop=catalogue
  • shop=department_store
  • shop=general_retailer
  • shop=general
  • shop=supermarket
  • shop=yes
  • etc.

I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal Argos store, but just wondering: 
a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in another store (given that this is pretty much all there is own the other shops,
b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and 
c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?


Thanks, Donald 
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Re: Tagging of Argos stores

Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 14:58 +0000, Donald Noble wrote:
I noticed recently that an Argos[1] counter has opened inside the large Sainsbury's supermarket at Murrayfield, but I am not sure how best to tag this.

I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in multiple ways, but I am not skilled enough with Overpass to check how many of each:
  • shop=catalogue
  • shop=department_store
  • shop=general_retailer
  • shop=general
  • shop=supermarket
  • shop=yes
  • etc.

I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal Argos store, but just wondering: 
a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in another store (given that this is pretty much all there is own the other shops,
b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and 
c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?



Hi Donald
I tend to go with shop=catalogue, it certainly doesn't fit my idea of a department store (that is Harrods, Debenhams, Grace Brothers....) and it doesn't sell food.

When this or other things, such as post offices, are inside somewhere else I map them as a node within the larger area. I do try to get them in the roughly the right place.

HTH 

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: Tagging of Argos stores

David Woolley
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On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote:

> I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal Argos
> store, but just wondering:
> a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in another
> store (given that this is pretty much all there is own the other shops,
> b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and
> c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?

Concessions aren't limited to Argos and have existed for decades, at
least, in department stores.  What has tended to happen recently is
their extending to other sorts of stores, e.g. Post Office in W H
Smith's, Timpsons in Morrison's, Costa in Tesco, or even Amazon lockers
in various places.

Shops that are pure shops of one type seem to be quite rare.  Even the
small independents near me normally don't fit into one category.  Small
shops often have concessions for courier services.   A lot of this is
about "foot fall", the theory being if people use one service they may
also use the the primary service of the shop.

I'm not sure if any more than a nested point or area is needed, but if
it is, one really needs to look at he whole concessions picture, and
possibly also better support of multi-valued shop tags in renderers.

What I haven't worked out yet is whether the Argos concession, in my
local supermarket, itself has an E-bay concession!

(Actually shops on railway stations are probably technically
concessions, as well.)


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Re: Tagging of Argos stores

Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 15:15 +0000, David Woolley wrote:

> On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote:
>
> > I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal
> > Argos
> > store, but just wondering:
> > a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in
> > another
> > store (given that this is pretty much all there is own the other
> > shops,
> > b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and
> > c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?
>
> Concessions aren't limited to Argos and have existed for decades, at
> least, in department stores.  What has tended to happen recently is
> their extending to other sorts of stores, e.g. Post Office in W H
> Smith's, Timpsons in Morrison's, Costa in Tesco, or even Amazon
> lockers
> in various places.
>
> Shops that are pure shops of one type seem to be quite rare.  Even
> the
> small independents near me normally don't fit into one
> category.  Small
> shops often have concessions for courier services.   A lot of this
> is
> about "foot fall", the theory being if people use one service they
> may
> also use the the primary service of the shop.
>
> I'm not sure if any more than a nested point or area is needed, but
> if
> it is, one really needs to look at he whole concessions picture, and
> possibly also better support of multi-valued shop tags in renderers.
>
> What I haven't worked out yet is whether the Argos concession, in my
> local supermarket, itself has an E-bay concession!
>
> (Actually shops on railway stations are probably technically
> concessions, as well.)

Amazon lockers, at supermarkets, in my experience tend to be outside
the actual shop so that they are accessible 24/7.

My local Morrisons has both Amazon and InPost under the canopy either
side of the main entrance.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: Tagging of Argos stores

Andy Townsend
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On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote:
>
> I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in
> multiple ways ...

Hi Donald,

Here's shop tag usage globally:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/shop#values

and in the UK:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values

Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: Tagging of Argos stores

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This is the full list of name=Argos, shop=*

Catalogue by far the most popular, but I wondering if there any specialised Argos outlets selling just furniture or electrical? 

catalogue,152
department_store,90
<No shop tag>,60
yes,55
variety_store,39
general,21
supermarket,8
gift,5
convenience,4
houseware,4
catalog,2
catalogue_store,2
electronics,2
general_store,2
hifi,2
furniture,1
general_retailer,1
hardware,1
household,1
retailer,1
outpost,1

Cheers
DaveF

On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote:
I noticed recently that an Argos[1] counter has opened inside the large
Sainsbury's supermarket at Murrayfield, but I am not sure how best to tag
this.

I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in
multiple ways, but I am not skilled enough with Overpass to check how many
of each:

   - shop=catalogue
   - shop=department_store
   - shop=general_retailer
   - shop=general
   - shop=supermarket
   - shop=yes
   - etc.


I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal Argos
store, but just wondering:
a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in another store
(given that this is pretty much all there is own the other shops,
b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and
c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?

[1] https://www.argos.co.uk

Thanks, Donald


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Re: Tagging of Argos stores

Donald Noble
Thanks all for the responses.

I have mapped as a node tagged shop=catalogue, name=Argos within the building way in approximately the correct location. I have done this before for other outlets, but always good to hear other opinions on how to map edge cases.

Donald

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 18:47 Dave F <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is the full list of name=Argos, shop=*

Catalogue by far the most popular, but I wondering if there any specialised Argos outlets selling just furniture or electrical? 

catalogue,152
department_store,90
<No shop tag>,60
yes,55
variety_store,39
general,21
supermarket,8
gift,5
convenience,4
houseware,4
catalog,2
catalogue_store,2
electronics,2
general_store,2
hifi,2
furniture,1
general_retailer,1
hardware,1
household,1
retailer,1
outpost,1

Cheers
DaveF


On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote:
I noticed recently that an Argos[1] counter has opened inside the large
Sainsbury's supermarket at Murrayfield, but I am not sure how best to tag
this.

I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in
multiple ways, but I am not skilled enough with Overpass to check how many
of each:

   - shop=catalogue
   - shop=department_store
   - shop=general_retailer
   - shop=general
   - shop=supermarket
   - shop=yes
   - etc.


I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal Argos
store, but just wondering:
a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in another store
(given that this is pretty much all there is own the other shops,
b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and
c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?

[1] https://www.argos.co.uk

Thanks, Donald


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Re: Tagging of Argos stores

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On 10/03/2019 15:15, David Woolley wrote:
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> Concessions aren't limited to Argos and have existed for decades, at
> least, in department stores.


Note that Argos is now a subsidiary of Sainsbury's. Wikipedia even
states that 'Sainsbury's intend to close most if not all separate Argos
shops and integrate them into its large Sainsbury's supermarkets', so it
is not quite like a true concession.


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