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The Range - looking for tagging consensus

Silent Spike
This brand was brought up in the name suggestion index thread as one that doesn't currently have an entry due to it being tricky to determine the best tagging.

I'm a UK based maintainer of the project and would like to get it added, but am not comfortable making a tagging judgement call alone without consulting the UK community.

It looks like currently there are:
  • 21 shop=department_store
  • 18 shop=doityourself
  • 15 shop=variety_store
  • 14 shop=houseware
  • 6 shop=furniture
  • 5 shop=interior_decoration
  • 3 shop=garden_centre

Probably a few others too. Personally I'd rule out `variety_store` as per the wiki "a variety store or price-point retailer is a retail shop that sells inexpensive items" (think Poundland).

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Re: The Range - looking for tagging consensus

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Thanks for doing this: I had wondered who the fairy was!

As is often the case it might be easier to say which tags look out of place.
  • Department store should be reserved for what are classically called department stores and larger shops of the M&S type, not for a shop with a number of different departments (think Woolies before it closed and Wilkos now). These latter I would characterise as variety stores (because that's how Woolies was described in the trade press). Clothes have always been a major category for department stores & the absence of a broad clothing offering is, I think, a straight disqualification. (Aside: this is a good example of where some over-generalisation of a tag meaning actually devalues the overall value of the tag)
  • DIY looks wrong too. Some of the items in their DIY section just look like house wares to me (fans, dehumidifier etc), and many ranges are smaller than one would find in a small neighbourhood hardware shop.
  • Furniture Garden Centre & Interior Decoration, whilst all categories stocked at The Range are too restrictive in meaning.
So I'd favour the remaining candidates & I think housewares or homewares is probably a better fit. 

Jerry

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 10:50, Silent Spike <[hidden email]> wrote:
This brand was brought up in the name suggestion index thread as one that doesn't currently have an entry due to it being tricky to determine the best tagging.

I'm a UK based maintainer of the project and would like to get it added, but am not comfortable making a tagging judgement call alone without consulting the UK community.

It looks like currently there are:
  • 21 shop=department_store
  • 18 shop=doityourself
  • 15 shop=variety_store
  • 14 shop=houseware
  • 6 shop=furniture
  • 5 shop=interior_decoration
  • 3 shop=garden_centre

Probably a few others too. Personally I'd rule out `variety_store` as per the wiki "a variety store or price-point retailer is a retail shop that sells inexpensive items" (think Poundland).
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Silent Spike
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:08 PM SK53 <[hidden email]> wrote:
So I'd favour the remaining candidates & I think housewares or homewares is probably a better fit. 

The issue with houseware, if we're going by the wiki (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dhouseware), is that it also seems overly restrictive: "A shop that focuses on small items, like cutlery, crockery, cookware and decorative items".

I'm actually leaning towards department store, but feel like OSM needs a new tag to specify which departments a department store has so that we can distinguish the huge ones from smaller ones like The Range or Laura Ashley (another brand I've struggled with categorising).

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Devonshire
Added a new Range store a couple of weeks ago as shop=houseware although shop=homeware would be fine as well.  I think department store has some Grace Brothers style connotations regarding layout that The Range doesn't have at all.

Kevin

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Silent Spike wrote:
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I'm actually leaning towards department store, but feel like OSM needs a new tag to specify which departments a department store has so that we can distinguish the huge ones from smaller ones like The Range or Laura Ashley (another brand I've struggled with categorising).


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Silent Spike
So I think what I'll do for now is go ahead and add this under `shop=houseware` since both replies here are in favour of that. If in future consensus changes (and adding this into the index is likely to bring any disagreement that hasn't been raised here to the surface) then tagging can always be updated at the locations confirmed to be this brand (using `brand:wikidata`).

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Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 19 November 2019, Silent Spike wrote:
> So I think what I'll do for now is go ahead and add this under
> `shop=houseware` since both replies here are in favour of that. If in
> future consensus changes (and adding this into the index is likely to bring
> any disagreement that hasn't been raised here to the surface) then tagging
> can always be updated at the locations confirmed to be this brand (using
> `brand:wikidata`).
>
I think it fits shop=variery, much like Wilco, far better.

They sell far more than houseware, pet food, gardening supplies, camping gear, art supplies to name just a few items.

Phil (trigpoint)
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