Toilet tagging issues

[Cj Malone-2]

Hello everyone

It seems to me that there are some issues with toilet tagging, that
seems to have come from wheelmap.org. Not to criticise wheelmap.org,
they are a great part of the OSM ecosystem, using data and contributing
valuable data.

The issue is when somebody flags an object as having a wheelchair
accessible toilet the object gets tagged with 'toilets:wheelchair=yes'
(or no), but the parent tag 'toilets' never gets set.

When 'toilets:wheelchair=no' is set we can't infer whether there are
toilets but not accessible ones, or no toilets at all.

However I believe 'toilets:wheelchair=yes' should always come with,
'toilets=yes'. How would everyone feel about a large edit to amend
this?

Cj



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[Dan S]

Hi Cj

I'm doubtful. There could be two different buildings next to each
other, for example, one with accessble toilets designated for
wheelchair only (tagged toilets:wheelchair=yes) and one with
inaccessible toilets (tagged toilets:wheelchair=no and toilets=yes).
In that case, you wouldn't want to make your suggested edit, would
you?

Best
Dan

Op wo 13 jan. 2021 om 22:38 schreef Cj Malone
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>
> Hello everyone
>
> It seems to me that there are some issues with toilet tagging, that
> seems to have come from wheelmap.org. Not to criticise wheelmap.org,
> they are a great part of the OSM ecosystem, using data and contributing
> valuable data.
>
> The issue is when somebody flags an object as having a wheelchair
> accessible toilet the object gets tagged with 'toilets:wheelchair=yes'
> (or no), but the parent tag 'toilets' never gets set.
>
> When 'toilets:wheelchair=no' is set we can't infer whether there are
> toilets but not accessible ones, or no toilets at all.
>
> However I believe 'toilets:wheelchair=yes' should always come with,
> 'toilets=yes'. How would everyone feel about a large edit to amend
> this?
>
> Cj
>
>
>
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[Cj Malone-2]

On Thu, 2021-01-14 at 08:25 +0000, Dan S wrote:

> Hi Cj
>
> I'm doubtful. There could be two different buildings next to each
> other, for example, one with accessble toilets designated for
> wheelchair only (tagged toilets:wheelchair=yes) and one with
> inaccessible toilets (tagged toilets:wheelchair=no and toilets=yes).
> In that case, you wouldn't want to make your suggested edit, would
> you?
>
> Best
> Dan

Well, if you were micro mapping that level of detail, I'd assume you
were using amenity=toilets, not toilets=yes. toilets=yes (and so
toilets:wheelchair=yes) should be on another POI, it's not a POI it's
self.

Cj



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[andrew-2]

On 14/01/2021 09:21, Cj Malone wrote:
> Well, if you were micro mapping that level of detail, I'd assume you
> were using amenity=toilets, not toilets=yes. toilets=yes (and so
> toilets:wheelchair=yes) should be on another POI, it's not a POI it's
> self.
Wheelmap are an honourable organisation but can be a bit simplistic.  I
would have thought that toilets:wheelchair=no should add toitlets=yes

Of would you prefer a manual (site) check Dan.

Might wheelmap developers be open to a change to theapp.


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On 14/01/2021 19:03, Dave F wrote:

> Apologies. My initial post, & the reply went personal only.
>
> On 14/01/2021 09:27, Cj Malone wrote:
>> On Thu, 2021-01-14 at 04:01 +0000, David Fox wrote:
>>> Why do you think it's a child tag of toilets?
>> Isn't it?
>
> It maybe for amenity, shop tags etc, but toilets=yes is a sibling.
>
>>> Are you sure it's wise to infer?
>> Well that's why I asked first, but as far as I can tell, it's a tagging
>> mistake.
>
> I think toilets:wheelchair=yes stands on its own as a separate tag.
>
>
> DaveF
>
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[Cj Malone-2]

On Thu, 2021-01-14 at 18:37 +0000, Andrew Black wrote:
> I  would have thought that toilets:wheelchair=no should add
> toitlets=yes

The issue with that is toilets:wheelchair=no is also added when there
is no toilets at all. Wheelmap doesn't currently register a difference
between no toilets, and toilets but not accessible to wheelchairs.

> Might wheelmap developers be open to a change to theapp.

I've reported it before [1] but they seem to have not gotten around to
it.

Cj

[1] https://github.com/sozialhelden/wheelmap-frontend/issues/261



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