We need to have a conversation about attribution
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We need to have a conversation about attribution –
Hi all,
In recent years some OSM data consumers and "OSM as a service" providers
have begun to put the credit to OpenStreetMap behind ...
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I beleive that OSMF will take steps to resolve this.
In fact this is exactly the point where we need strong body like OSMF
who have funds to pay...
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Feb 28, 2019, 11:35 PM by richard@...:
> This response might be:
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> a) we are happy for attribution to be behind a credits sc...
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On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> a) would require changing license again, right?
Yes - And i had the qu...
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Months go by nothing happens. here's another example from LiveStream, a
Vimeo service.They have a map (example, press "i"
https://li...
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It's kind of funny when people deny osm data as it has it's own sort
flavour that differentiates it from google, bing, here, etc. It's instantly
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Yes it is and when they reply:
> The Livestream Platform does not utilize the Open Street Map site or
> any of the data that you're re...
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Am 01.03.2019 um 14:57 schrieb Florian Lohoff:
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> So please either enforce the ODbL or relicense to CC0.
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It is ...
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On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 08:42:52PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
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> Am 01.03.2019 um 14:57 schrieb Florian Lohoff:
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Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f@...:
> Yes - we talk nicely - but in
> the end nobody is willing to drag them to court. And THAT was the firs...
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Hi,
On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 02:05:44PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f@...:
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> > Yes - we talk ...
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Hello,
On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 04:13:12PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote:
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> So when relicensing the ultimate consequence is that you ne...
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Am 02.03.2019 um 17:09 schrieb Ineiev:
> Why OSMF? the copyright holders are still the individual mappers---unless
> their copyright is ...
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On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 08:09:11PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
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> Any rights that you might have in your contributions remain yours and
&...
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Am 03.03.2019 um 12:54 schrieb Ineiev:
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> So, when someone violates that license when using the work of
> those contributors, a...
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On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 06:12:09PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
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> Am 03.03.2019 um 12:54 schrieb Ineiev:
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> > So, whe...
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I'm happy there's ODbL. If we would have PD/CC0, we probably would
have a farce discussion, standing helpless to license violators.
Having said t...
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On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 11:09:58AM -0500, Ineiev wrote:
> Hello,
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> On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 04:13:12PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote:
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Mar 2, 2019, 4:13 PM by f@...:
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> Hi,
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> On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 02:05:44PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
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>&...
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Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> writes:
> Mar 2, 2019, 4:13 PM by f@...:
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>> In most jurisdications licensing and trade mar...
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Am 02.03.2019 um 16:13 schrieb Florian Lohoff:
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> In most jurisdications licensing and trade marks will only hold up
> when defende...
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Am 02.03.2019 um 14:05 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny:
> Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f@...:
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> Yes - we talk nicely - but in
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sent from a phone
> On 1. Mar 2019, at 20:42, Simon Poole <simon@...> wrote:
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> The good news is that most re-users of O...
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Am 01.03.2019 um 10:48 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny:
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> c) I recommend doing this, I tried mailing Mapbox about their
> license-break...
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Mar 1, 2019, 11:48 AM by simon@...:
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> Am 01.03.2019 um 10:48 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny:
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>&g...
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:05, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> wrote:
> Additional question - who can file DMCA. AFAIK only OSMF can do...
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> I am the copyright owner of my edits. You are the owner of yours.
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> I don't recall ever giving the OSMF authority to act as my a...
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:56, Marc Gemis <marc.gemis@...> wrote:
> > I don't recall ever giving the OSMF authority to act as my agent....
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Mar 1, 2019, 3:53 PM by andy@...:
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:56, Marc Gemis <> marc.gemis@... <mailto:marc.gemis@...>> ...
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 16:34, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> wrote:
> Mar 1, 2019, 3:53 PM by andy@...:
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> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 ...
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Am 01.03.2019 um 20:20 schrieb Andy Mabbett:
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> The words you quote don't mean what you seem to think they do; they
> certainly...
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Am 01.03.2019 um 12:49 schrieb Andy Mabbett:
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:05, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> wrote:
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 13:44, Simon Poole <simon@...> wrote:
> Am 01.03.2019 um 12:49 schrieb Andy Mabbett:
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 ...
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Hi,
On 01.03.19 16:04, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> Poppycock.
The rest of us are trying to have a serious conversation here. Please
adapt or leave....
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 16:23, Frederik Ramm <frederik@...> wrote:
> On 01.03.19 16:04, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> > Poppycock.
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Mar 1, 2019, 12:49 PM by andy@...:
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:05, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoniecz@... <mailto:matkoniecz@...&...
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 12:31, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> wrote:
> Mar 1, 2019, 12:49 PM by andy@...:
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> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019...
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On 2019-02-28 2:35 p.m., Richard Fairhurst wrote:
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> In recent years some OSM data consumers and "OSM as a service"
> provide...
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Richard, Simon, all,
I am very happy with the current requirements and I think they don't need
to be updated.
Maybe the Attribution guidance as...
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Hi,
On 3/5/19 9:37 AM, althio wrote:
> As a test bench last month, we (people from OpenStreetMap France) have
> tried to go the other route...
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Am Di., 5. März 2019 um 11:20 Uhr schrieb Frederik Ramm <frederik@...
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> With today's interactive options, it would indeed be possi...
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Hi Benoît
My expectation was and is that we are not going to fundamentally change
the requirements, but simply be more prescriptive for more u...
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Paul Norman via talk <talk@...> writes:
> On 2019-02-28 2:35 p.m., Richard Fairhurst wrote:
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>> In recent years some OSM d...
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These are norms not rules. ODbL doesn't specify how attribution needs to happen, or anything about equivalence with other attribution. So even if ...
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Mar 1, 2019, 2:51 AM by mikel.maron@...:
> ODbL doesn't specify how attribution needs to happen, or anything about equivalence with other ...
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Just a couple of general comments on this.
- The LWG is undertaking an effort to sure up our attribution guidance
this year see
https://wiki....
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Mar 1, 2019, 11:25 AM by simon@...:
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> And specifically on the issue with Mapbox customers, one of the results of the 2014 discuss...
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Just as my opinions here don’t represent the osmf board, they don’t represent Mapbox either.
Personally, I don’t care much about the details of a...
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Mar 1, 2019, 1:05 PM by mikel.maron@...:
> As enthusiastic as I am to see osm “in the wild”, I’m irritated by license shaming. I know, it’...
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Mar 1, 2019, 11:25 AM by simon@...:
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> And specifically on the issue with Mapbox customers, one of the results of the 2014 d...
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Am 01.03.2019 um 12:01 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny:
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> Mar 1, 2019, 11:25 AM by simon@...:
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> And specifically o...
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Mar 1, 2019, 12:31 PM by simon@...:
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> Am 01.03.2019 um 12:01 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny:
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Mikel Maron wrote:
> We may not like that reality, but that's the underlying legal situation.
> We can certainly recommend a better way. An...
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Hi,
what I write below is my own opinion and not that of the OSMF board,
just as Mikel's opinion is his own and not that of the OSMF board.
On 0...
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On 01/03/19 09:50, Paul Norman via talk wrote:
> On 2019-02-28 2:35 p.m., Richard Fairhurst wrote:
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>> In recent years some OSM d...
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Well wrote this yesterday at 3 AM, however due to the images it got stuck
so im uploading them else where.
Over the last months i have express...
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On Friday 01 March 2019, Nuno Caldeira wrote:
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> Good examples of attribution....[...]
Note the ODbL requires attribution of th...
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On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:06 PM Christoph Hormann <osm@...> wrote:
> I cannot help pointing out that the EU commission is also responsi...
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On Friday 01 March 2019, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
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> But the attribution font is so tiny that is is barely noticeable.
> There is attr...
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I, being a mapper in the first place, do not put OSM contribution visible
by default on webmaps I create (only after pressing data source link),
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On Friday 01 March 2019, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> I, being a mapper in the first place, do not put OSM contribution
> visible by default on w...
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2019-03-01, pn, 17:55 Christoph Hormann rašė:
> As long as data sources you use have been produced by people who got
> paid for their work (...
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I applaud that the LWG is undertaking an effort to sure up our
attribution guidance.
IMO the sentence in question MUST be changed from "shou...
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Am 01.03.2019 um 23:29 schrieb Stefan Keller:
> I applaud that the LWG is undertaking an effort to sure up our
> attribution guidance.
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On 02/03/19 10:39, Simon Poole wrote:
> Am 01.03.2019 um 23:29 schrieb Stefan Keller:
>> I applaud that the LWG is undertaking an effort ...
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Mar 1, 2019, 3:17 PM by tomasstraupis@...:
> Even OSM attribution takes full line on smaller (not older) phones. Altitude data provider attr...
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2019-03-01, pn 16:25, Mateusz Konieczny rašė:
> For full screen map two lines of text is perfectly OK.
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Two lines for ONE source, th...
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 13:29, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80@...> wrote:
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> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:06 PM Christoph Hormann <osm@...&...
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Whatever we as a community prefer, let’s not add noise to the discussion by suggesting that it’s somehow hard to do because of UX requirements (as...
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There is another version of this. The Maps.me app shows the attribution for
a couple of seconds after starting and after that it vanishes and a s...
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On 28.02.19 23:35, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> The policy, introduced with the changeover to the ODbL, says:
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> "We require that yo...
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Mar 1, 2019, 9:42 PM by osm@...:
> I don't perceive off-map attribution as a recent trend: This style of
> OSM attribution was rea...
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Hi all,
I find this funny in a way. Traditionally, big corps disliked
"share-alike" open source/data licences, like ODbL, GNU GPL (or t...
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Below is an example of attribution that can be seen even on small devices.
For the maps that I develop, I do take care to add attribution. Testin...
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I very much agree.
In particular i have been pointing out the insulting and disrespectful
nature of second rate attributions - that is people p...
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Am 01.03.2019 um 12:51 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
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> What OSMF activity since the license change on this front, in particular
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On Friday 01 March 2019, Simon Poole wrote:
> > What OSMF activity since the license change on this front, in
> > particular with the ...
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 22:35, Richard Fairhurst <richard@...> wrote:
> "We require that you use the credit “© OpenStreetMap contrib...
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Am 01.03.2019 um 01:12 schrieb Andy Mabbett:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 22:35, Richard Fairhurst <richard@...> wrote:
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>> &q...
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:51, Simon Poole <simon@...> wrote:
> Am 01.03.2019 um 01:12 schrieb Andy Mabbett:
> > 28 characters. The...
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