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We need to have a conversation about attribution – Hi all, In recent years some OSM data consumers and "OSM as a service" providers have begun to put the credit to OpenStreetMap behind ...
I beleive that OSMF will take steps to resolve this. In fact this is exactly the point where we need strong body like OSMF who have funds to pay...
Feb 28, 2019, 11:35 PM by richard@...: > This response might be: > > a) we are happy for attribution to be behind a credits sc...
On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > a) would require changing license again, right? Yes - And i had the qu...
Months go by nothing happens. here's another example from LiveStream, a Vimeo service.They have a map (example, press "i" https://li...
It's kind of funny when people deny osm data as it has it's own sort flavour that differentiates it from google, bing, here, etc. It's instantly ...
Yes it is and  when they reply: > The Livestream Platform does not utilize the Open Street Map site or > any of the data that you're re...
Am 01.03.2019 um 14:57 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > ... > So please either enforce the ODbL or relicense to CC0. > > ... It is ...
On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 08:42:52PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote: > > Am 01.03.2019 um 14:57 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > > ... > >...
Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f@...: > Yes - we talk nicely - but in > the end nobody is willing to drag them to court. And THAT was the firs...
Hi, On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 02:05:44PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f@...: > > > Yes - we talk ...
Hello, On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 04:13:12PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > So when relicensing the ultimate consequence is that you ne...
Am 02.03.2019 um 17:09 schrieb Ineiev: > Why OSMF? the copyright holders are still the individual mappers---unless > their copyright is ...
On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 08:09:11PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote: > > Any rights that you might have in your contributions remain yours and &...
Am 03.03.2019 um 12:54 schrieb Ineiev: > ... > So, when someone violates that license when using the work of > those contributors, a...
On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 06:12:09PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote: > > Am 03.03.2019 um 12:54 schrieb Ineiev: > > ... > > So, whe...
I'm happy there's ODbL. If we would have PD/CC0, we probably would have a farce discussion, standing helpless to license violators. Having said t...
On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 11:09:58AM -0500, Ineiev wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 04:13:12PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: ...
Mar 2, 2019, 4:13 PM by f@...: > > Hi, > > On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 02:05:44PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >&...
Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> writes: > Mar 2, 2019, 4:13 PM by f@...: > >> In most jurisdications licensing and trade mar...
Am 02.03.2019 um 16:13 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > > In most jurisdications licensing and trade marks will only hold up > when defende...
Am 02.03.2019 um 14:05 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f@...: > > Yes - we talk nicely - but in > ...
sent from a phone > On 1. Mar 2019, at 20:42, Simon Poole <simon@...> wrote: > > The good news is that most re-users of O...
Am 01.03.2019 um 10:48 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: ..... > c) I recommend doing this, I tried mailing Mapbox about their > license-break...
Mar 1, 2019, 11:48 AM by simon@...: > > > > Am 01.03.2019 um 10:48 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > >> >&g...
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:05, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> wrote: > Additional question - who can file DMCA. AFAIK only OSMF can do...
> > I am the copyright owner of my edits. You are the owner of yours. > > I don't recall ever giving the OSMF authority to act as my a...
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:56, Marc Gemis <marc.gemis@...> wrote: > > I don't recall ever giving the OSMF authority to act as my agent....
Mar 1, 2019, 3:53 PM by andy@...: > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:56, Marc Gemis <> marc.gemis@... <mailto:marc.gemis@...>> ...
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 16:34, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> wrote: > Mar 1, 2019, 3:53 PM by andy@...: > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 ...
Am 01.03.2019 um 20:20 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > ... > The words you quote don't mean what you seem to think they do; they > certainly...
Am 01.03.2019 um 12:49 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:05, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> wrote: > >> ...
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 13:44, Simon Poole <simon@...> wrote: > Am 01.03.2019 um 12:49 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 ...
Hi, On 01.03.19 16:04, Andy Mabbett wrote: > Poppycock. The rest of us are trying to have a serious conversation here. Please adapt or leave....
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 16:23, Frederik Ramm <frederik@...> wrote: > On 01.03.19 16:04, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > Poppycock. > >...
Mar 1, 2019, 12:49 PM by andy@...: > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:05, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoniecz@... <mailto:matkoniecz@...&...
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 12:31, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@...> wrote: > Mar 1, 2019, 12:49 PM by andy@...: > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019...
On 2019-02-28 2:35 p.m., Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > In recent years some OSM data consumers and "OSM as a service" > provide...
Richard, Simon, all, I am very happy with the current requirements and I think they don't need to be updated. Maybe the Attribution guidance as...
Hi, On 3/5/19 9:37 AM, althio wrote: > As a test bench last month, we (people from OpenStreetMap France) have > tried to go the other route...
Am Di., 5. März 2019 um 11:20 Uhr schrieb Frederik Ramm <frederik@... >: > With today's interactive options, it would indeed be possi...
Hi Benoît My expectation was and is that we are not going to fundamentally change the requirements, but simply be more prescriptive for more u...
Paul Norman via talk <talk@...> writes: > On 2019-02-28 2:35 p.m., Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> >> In recent years some OSM d...
These are norms not rules. ODbL doesn't specify how attribution needs to happen, or anything about equivalence with other attribution. So even if ...
Mar 1, 2019, 2:51 AM by mikel.maron@...: > ODbL doesn't specify how attribution needs to happen, or anything about equivalence with other ...
Just a couple of general comments on this. - The LWG is undertaking an effort to sure up our attribution guidance this year see https://wiki....
Mar 1, 2019, 11:25 AM by simon@...: > > And specifically on the issue with Mapbox customers, one of the results of the 2014 discuss...
Just as my opinions here don’t represent the osmf board, they don’t represent Mapbox either. Personally, I don’t care much about the details of a...
Mar 1, 2019, 1:05 PM by mikel.maron@...: > As enthusiastic as I am to see osm “in the wild”, I’m irritated by license shaming. I know, it’...
Mar 1, 2019, 11:25 AM by simon@...: > > And specifically on the issue with Mapbox customers, one of the results of the 2014 d...
Am 01.03.2019 um 12:01 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > > > > Mar 1, 2019, 11:25 AM by simon@...: > > And specifically o...
Mar 1, 2019, 12:31 PM by simon@...: > > > > Am 01.03.2019 um 12:01 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > >> >&g...
Mikel Maron wrote: > We may not like that reality, but that's the underlying legal situation. > We can certainly recommend a better way. An...
Hi, what I write below is my own opinion and not that of the OSMF board, just as Mikel's opinion is his own and not that of the OSMF board. On 0...
On 01/03/19 09:50, Paul Norman via talk wrote: > On 2019-02-28 2:35 p.m., Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> >> In recent years some OSM d...
Well wrote this yesterday at 3 AM, however due to the images it got stuck so im uploading them else where. Over the last months i have express...
On Friday 01 March 2019, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > [...] > > Good examples of attribution....[...] Note the ODbL requires attribution of th...
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:06 PM Christoph Hormann <osm@...> wrote: > I cannot help pointing out that the EU commission is also responsi...
On Friday 01 March 2019, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > But the attribution font is so tiny that is is barely noticeable. > There is attr...
I, being a mapper in the first place, do not put OSM contribution visible by default on webmaps I create (only after pressing data source link), ...
On Friday 01 March 2019, Tomas Straupis wrote: > I, being a mapper in the first place, do not put OSM contribution > visible by default on w...
2019-03-01, pn, 17:55 Christoph Hormann rašė: > As long as data sources you use have been produced by people who got > paid for their work (...
I applaud that the LWG is undertaking an effort to sure up our attribution guidance. IMO the sentence in question MUST be changed from "shou...
Am 01.03.2019 um 23:29 schrieb Stefan Keller: > I applaud that the LWG is undertaking an effort to sure up our > attribution guidance. ...
On 02/03/19 10:39, Simon Poole wrote: > Am 01.03.2019 um 23:29 schrieb Stefan Keller: >> I applaud that the LWG is undertaking an effort ...
Mar 1, 2019, 3:17 PM by tomasstraupis@...: > Even OSM attribution takes full line on smaller (not older) phones. Altitude data provider attr...
2019-03-01, pn 16:25, Mateusz Konieczny rašė: > For full screen map two lines of text is perfectly OK. > Two lines for ONE source, th...
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 13:29, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80@...> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:06 PM Christoph Hormann <osm@...&...
Whatever we as a community prefer, let’s not add noise to the discussion by suggesting that it’s somehow hard to do because of UX requirements (as...
There is another version of this. The Maps.me app shows the attribution for a couple of seconds after starting and after that it vanishes and a s...
On 28.02.19 23:35, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > The policy, introduced with the changeover to the ODbL, says: > > "We require that yo...
Mar 1, 2019, 9:42 PM by osm@...: > I don't perceive off-map attribution as a recent trend: This style of > OSM attribution was rea...
Hi all, I find this funny in a way. Traditionally, big corps disliked "share-alike" open source/data licences, like ODbL, GNU GPL (or t...
Below is an example of attribution that can be seen even on small devices. For the maps that I develop, I do take care to add attribution. Testin...
I very much agree. In particular i have been pointing out the insulting and disrespectful nature of second rate attributions - that is people p...
Am 01.03.2019 um 12:51 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > ... > What OSMF activity since the license change on this front, in particular >...
On Friday 01 March 2019, Simon Poole wrote: > > What OSMF activity since the license change on this front, in > > particular with the ...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 22:35, Richard Fairhurst <richard@...> wrote: > "We require that you use the credit “© OpenStreetMap contrib...
Am 01.03.2019 um 01:12 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 22:35, Richard Fairhurst <richard@...> wrote: > >> &q...
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:51, Simon Poole <simon@...> wrote: > Am 01.03.2019 um 01:12 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > > 28 characters. The...