What sport=* for automobile racing?

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What sport=* for automobile racing?

Joseph Eisenberg
With highway=raceway, the most common tags are sport=motor,
sport=motocross and sport=karting (and even some sport=rc_car for
remote controlled model cars). These are specific types of motorsport,
except for "sport=motor", which can include automobiles, motorcycles
and go-karts, so it's not very specific. There's also some uses of
sport=speedway which is also unclear.

There isn't really a common tag for raceways used specifically for
automobile racing (e.g. NASCAR, Formula One, Drag racing, Rallying,
etc).

There are 5 uses of sport=autocross, 2 of sport=auto, 1 of sport="auto
racing" (with a space).

It would be useful to have a specific tag since automobile racing,
motocross and karting use rather different raceways in most cases.

Perhaps sport=auto_racing would be clear, and generic enough to cover
most types? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_racing

Also, it looks like there are some other types of motorcycle racing,
other than motocross (which is specifically on dirt tracks /
raceways).

Would sport=motorcycle be good for these? It's used 7 times.

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Re: What sport=* for automobile racing?

Richard Welty-2
On 8/30/19 7:49 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

> There are 5 uses of sport=autocross, 2 of sport=auto, 1 of sport="auto
> racing" (with a space).
>
> It would be useful to have a specific tag since automobile racing,
> motocross and karting use rather different raceways in most cases.
>
> Perhaps sport=auto_racing would be clear, and generic enough to cover
> most types? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_racing
>
> Also, it looks like there are some other types of motorcycle racing,
> other than motocross (which is specifically on dirt tracks /
> raceways).
>
> Would sport=motorcycle be good for these? It's used 7 times.

some karts do run on full sized auto racing circuits, but kart
specific tracks are generally much smaller in scale.

lots of motorcycle racing on pavement uses the same circuits
as cars. but again, sometimes motorcycles run on narrower
circuits that are unsuitable for auto racing.

i don't have a proposal here, just conveying information.

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Re: What sport=* for automobile racing?

Warin
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On 31/8/19 9:49 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
With highway=raceway, the most common tags are sport=motor,
sport=motocross and sport=karting (and even some sport=rc_car for
remote controlled model cars). These are specific types of motorsport,
except for "sport=motor", which can include automobiles, motorcycles
and go-karts, so it's not very specific. 
Reason: Some tracks accept racing from all different kinds of motor vehicles e.g. trucks, cars and motorcycles. 

    

    
There's also some uses of
sport=speedway which is also unclear.

    
Speedway is a oval dirt course that is usually used by cars and motorcycles. 

There isn't really a common tag for raceways used specifically for
automobile racing (e.g. NASCAR, Formula One, Drag racing, Rallying,
etc).

There are 5 uses of sport=autocross, 2 of sport=auto, 1 of sport="auto
racing" (with a space).

It would be useful to have a specific tag since automobile racing,
motocross and karting use rather different raceways in most cases.

    
Most circuits want more money. So they do try to accept any kind of event.
For example 
Assen was built for motorcycle racing (sealed), however to also has had car and kart racing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT_Circuit_Assen
Brans Hatch .. originally a grass circuit for motorcycles now 2 sealed circuits used by trucks, cars and motorcycles. Also has an unsealed circuit too.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brands_Hatch

Perhaps sport=auto_racing would be clear, and generic enough to cover
most types? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_racing

    
Auto could be taken as car only, not trucks or motorcycles. 
I note the motorcycles are mentioned on 6that Wikipedia page twice - once for riders how have taken up car racing and the second time for 'see also'. 

Also, it looks like there are some other types of motorcycle racing,
other than motocross (which is specifically on dirt tracks /
raceways).

Would sport=motorcycle be good for these? It's used 7 times.\

    
One of these is a motocross track. 
Another might be a club house, not a circuit and they are into off roading. 

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Re: What sport=* for automobile racing?

Richard Welty-2
On 9/1/19 12:12 AM, Warin wrote:

>
> On 31/8/19 9:49 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>> With highway=raceway, the most common tags are sport=motor,
>> sport=motocross and sport=karting (and even some sport=rc_car for
>> remote controlled model cars). These are specific types of motorsport,
>> except for "sport=motor", which can include automobiles, motorcycles
>> and go-karts, so it's not very specific.
>
> Reason: Some tracks accept racing from all different kinds of motor vehicles e.g. trucks, cars and motorcycles.
>
>> There's also some uses of
>> sport=speedway which is also unclear.
>
> Speedway is a oval dirt course that is usually used by cars and motorcycles.

in some national contexts, sure. the definition in the US is not that
restrictive.

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Re: What sport=* for automobile racing?

Richard Welty-2
On 9/1/19 8:20 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
> On 9/1/19 12:12 AM, Warin wrote:
>>
>> On 31/8/19 9:49 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

>>> There's also some uses of
>>> sport=speedway which is also unclear.
>>
>> Speedway is a oval dirt course that is usually used by cars and motorcycles.
>
> in some national contexts, sure. the definition in the US is not that
> restrictive.

on reflection, a better solution (i think) is to just use surface tags
that already exist. if you want query terms you could add

circuit_type={oval|road_course|drag}

and perhaps off road, although road_course+dirt might suffice.

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Re: What sport=* for automobile racing?

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On 01/09/2019 13:20, Richard Welty wrote:
> On 9/1/19 12:12 AM, Warin wrote:

>> Speedway is a oval dirt course that is usually used by cars and motorcycles.
> in some national contexts, sure. the definition in the US is not that
> restrictive.
>

In British English, as a sport, 'speedway' definitely refers to
motorcycles on a rough track. OED: 'A sport in which motorcyclists race
several laps about a short oval dirt track'.

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